Aliens probably aren't letting us into the community of species because we're such a warlike species.
Think about it. We discover nuclear power, and one of the first things we do is invent the nuclear bomb.
We've been at war ceaselessly since the beginning of human history.
And much of our popular escapist fantasy concerns slaughtering alien invaders.
If I were calling the shots up there, I wouldn't want a species that acts that way to find out about us.
Imagine if we discovered a primitive race on Mars and a good portion of their cave paintings concerned fictional wars against the human race. I don't think we'd be teaching them about space travel anytime soon.
Might be the other way around, anon. Funny coincidence, I was just about to post this.
Civilized humans have become much more peaceful since the times of tribal warfare, though. Actually, it's a testament to our progress that we have used weapons of mass destruction for violence as little as we have.
There's room for improvement of course, but all I'm saying is that humanity has many redeeming qualities.
What if Earth is actually a third world tribal country being exploited for something by the reptilians? Think about it, we have no travel to other planets, no central government, which aliens would mistake for no government at all, and we have extreme poverty.
Not a big fan of the whole hippie view on aliens or the Star Trek story in which we are supposed to improve ourselves as a species to be accepted into the community of aliens.
Such versions are more dependent on present ideologies and worldviews than objective statistics and scientific observations turned into realistic projections about alien life- futurology, exobiology and exopolitcs.
This story about aliens not liking us because we have guns and bombs is just a hippie's outlook on SF
damn prob the most intellegent shit ive ever read in an alien thread or on this retarded assuming conspiracy simple thought brainwashed typical sheeple /x/ board
>And much of our popular escapist fantasy concerns slaughtering alien invaders.
Spielberg tried to save us. With ET and Close Encounters, the popular narrative for alien visitation to Earth was one of warm, friendly joy.
Then came Independence Day.
(then allow me to continue)
Hell, you do get that, even in Star Trek, it's not about improving yourself as a species, it's about technological discrimination.
See, when humans were contacted by the Vulcans we were a shitty race, right? Post-apocalyptic Fallout style drunkards. But this one drunkard came up with the Warp drive and this made the technologically elitist Vulcans include us in their scope of ethical and political considerations.
Other races that do not posses Warp tech are excluded from such considerations in the same way animals are excluded from current human value systems.
True, you need to display certain pacifism to actually join the Federation, but if you just want to participate in its interstellar community- the only condition is technological, not cultural.
Vulcans from ST wouldn't save the children a burning enlightened pre-industrial metropolis, but would totally engage in mineral trade with a society of slavers who like warp tech.
>Aliens probably aren't letting us into the community of species because we're such a warlike species.
And you are comparing us to what other species?
Perhaps instead we are being protected because compared to the existing alien community we are the biggest fucking pussies ever. The Anunnaki are sheltering us from the inter-stellar community and the Greys are infiltrating us through mating with Jews and creating the Frankfurt School.
We are not a warlike species. We are a peace-loving species. If we were a warlike species, societies like that of ancient Sparta would be dotting the landscape. As it stands, any society that even attempted to be like ancient Sparta would be isolated and probably invaded by the UN for Human Rights abuses.
All we have to do is remove Saudi Arabia, the USA, and the whole of Europe (and possibly Russia). The rest of the world's countries are benign without interference from these, even those barbaric shitskins in the middle-east.
War is present at the most fundamental levels of reality where the duality of plus and minus meet eachother and where the force reverberates out into ever dimension the ripples are felt and emulated through and through this ocean of chaos welcome to Aquarius
Yeah and then when that happens ET launches their bioweapons, terraforms the planet to that of their homeworld and uses the remnants of human civilization for resources.
You peace and love hippies are going to be the death of all of us.
OP here. War dudes, you're missing the point.
It's quite likely that aliens went through a phase of being just as violent as ourselves, the difference is they will have had to have overcome it.
Why? Because if they continued to develop their capacity for destruction without a concurrent development in their capacity for peacefulness, naturally they would eventually destroy themselves.
The human race itself has come close to destroying itself many times in the past. There are way too many nuclear near misses in the history of the Cold War for comfort.
We have quite literally been a button's push away from extinction at least three times within the space of sixty years.
IF there are advanced races in the galaxy, they will have worked their way through a similar phase of development. And they will have overcome it.
Using Earth as our only model, we developed an extraordinary capacity for destruction before we developed a significant capacity for space travel.
If alien races are the same, they aren't ignorant about the nuke. They probably know about it. They may even have used some themselves.
The difference is they will have evolved beyond that point, allowing them to develop their technological capacity to accommodate the kind of advanced space travel they allegedly have.
It may be that some difference in the human character prevents us from evolving beyond this violent phase and we're destined to destroy ourselves, and for this reason any premature introduction to advance space travel technology is being avoided by the aliens.
>IF there are advanced races in the galaxy, they will have worked their way through a similar phase of development. And they will have overcome it.
This doesn't follow. Your entire argument is based on the idea that they would become peaceful due to natural evolution. That is entirely unreasonable. Space faring races without weapons? Are you kidding me?
In all likelihood this kind of attitude, if Earth took it, is the kind of attitude that would get us attached to some trading guild or let us be taken over by an imperial space power.
So no, fuck your peace, the aliums are probably just as violent as we are and should be treated as such. It is the only way to have a sound approach, what if I am wrong? Fine good, we negotiate and talk to each other.
But if you're wrong and we give up all our weapons?
>Your entire argument is based on the idea that they would become peaceful due to natural evolution.
No, my argument is actually very simple, and the rest of your post doesn't really address it.
If you develop your capacity for destruction but don't also develop an inhibition against using that destructive capacity, you will logically destroy yourself eventually.
For example, nuclear weapons have become more advanced and destructive as time has gone by, but our opposition to their use has also increased.
It is this opposition to the use of highly destructive technology which preserves our existence.
I never implied that they have no such weapons. Read my post again. I even state that they likely possess the nuke.
I implied that they lack the will to use those weapons.
The fact that they exist as an advanced space-faring race is sufficient evidence that they lack the will to use those weapons, because if they had the will to use those weapons they would not exist as an advanced space-faring race.
Just as we would not exist to have this conversation if human beings had demonstrated the will to engage in nuclear war (because the overwhelming likelihood is that a nuclear war would cause the human race to become extinct.).
>The fact that they exist as an advanced space-faring race is sufficient evidence that they lack the will to use those weapons, because if they had the will to use those weapons they would not exist as an advanced space-faring race.
Your circular logic doesn't amount to shit you know.
And then some faggot called you an edgelord. This place is the pits.
Good posts. Almost Vulcan-logical, without being a total dick (Spock's the only worthwhile Vulcan).
We are definitely a warrior species. We in all likelihood removed our hominid cousins who may or may not have had similarly war-like tendencies. Also, species of ants wage war, and other primates will mimic human tribal feuds. On that note, take Northeastern Africa.
Right, basically we're all still pretty shitty as a species. And the message of Star Trek and futurist fantasy thinking like this is that only the best make it, whether or not they're dicks. Hopefully Hawking's wrong and the first extraterrestrial species we meet are super cool space hippies like OP wants.
>dem God quads doe
Maybe they're just really passive aggressive and we pissed them off in the past so now they aren't talking to us any more but they occasionally visit to show us what we're missing.
"Hey aliens, what's wrong?"
"No, what's wrong?"
"We're fine, it's okay"
Sorta like when you call your girlfriend fat by accident.
Spirituality is important, however I'll grant that our religions are completely null. The best we've got for now is something akin to Buddhism.
While we're on the topic, Rendezvous With Rama movie when?
What rational alien species would interact with humanity? What would they stand to gain from such an interaction? Sure, we have technology and shit, but if they traveled across the fucking galaxy to Earth, so do they.
Well, we could have knowledge they don't, such as information regarding life on this planet. Sure, they can find all this out on their own, but it's much faster to simply compare notes. (I doubt this holds true)
Complexity of living organisms arises from evolving in places of scarcity. That would mean a smarter species than us would have had to evolve in places with even scarcer resources, meaning they'd have traveled to Earth to steal all our shit.
>why not just sentient?
chimps form tribal units and fight other tribal units for territory and resources. female chimps will divide themselves from the tribe and form their own temporary group to fend off rogue males.
For thousands of years, man has been at war with it's self. It is fair if not obvious to say that man's ability to wage war has been a powerful factor in our cultural and evolutionary development over the ages.
We inhale toxic vapors and drink poisonous fluids for the purpose of recreation.
We take part in potentially deadly and violent sports for our own amusement.
The vast majority of out major technological developments in the past several centuries have been in some way linked to military conflict or applications.
Tag, the most basic of our children's games, teaches and reenforces the skill of escaping pursuers or capturing targets on foot.
We carelessly sit on a nuclear arsenal more than capable of destroying our world several times over.
In short....Aliens have yet to make open contact with us NOT because of some lofty goal, greater scheme, or prime directive like ideal.
We just scare the shit out of them.
IF a fish is slowly evolving into a better fish, with the end point a probable alpha predator, why would the fish make a sudden evolutionary left turn into an algae eating, docile prey.
I argue that the assumption that war is something we will just naturally trend away from given time is incorrect.
An object in motion tends to stay in motion, and all that.
>We carelessly sit on a nuclear arsenal more than capable of destroying our world several times over.
No we don't. Conventional nukes (assumption that no one has made a nuke with cobalt or another heavy metallic isotope) are not capable of destroying the world once much less several times over. The world is a hell of a lot more strong than a couple thousand nukes.
>In short....Aliens have yet to make open contact with us NOT because of some lofty goal, greater scheme, or prime directive like ideal.
>We just scare the shit out of them.
If this were true that would be the best possible position for ourselves. If our violent nature is in fact a defense from interstellar colonization or what have you then I'm going to be as violent as possible.
>If this were true that would be the best possible position for ourselves. If our violent nature is in fact a defense from interstellar colonization or what have you then I'm going to be as violent as possible.
I would bet my last dime that if aliens DID invade a small army of neck-beards would come charging from their basements around the world swinging crowbars and wood-cutting axes screaming "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD"
all of you are only discussing war when theres hundreds of reasons the human race is screwed up.
Disease, Rape, murder, corruption. theres so much to choose from.
think if we invented intergalactic travel without aliens, spreading our chaotic and beauracratic ways across the stars.
It's very unlikely that aliens will save humanity from its own demise, or be a just a bunch of cool advanced guys. This is just a dellusion with the same think pattern as in a religion. It's just based on faith and desires. In fact, there's a high possibility that other intelligent species are even worse and more destructive than us.
have you ever met a fat autistic astronaut?>>15911277
if they're like us, they probably had to do a lot of fucked up shit to get to the top of their food chain. if they're completely unlike us, didn't have to fight as hard to survive and then thrive, they might either be resource driven isolationist or communal and hive-like with basic needs but somehow advanced knowledge of mathematics (like the Prawns in District 9). either way, if and when we meet whatever, i'd rather we be able to hold our own if we had to instead of just hoping they're peaceful.
There aren't that many aliens out there with the capabilities to travel such distances and they all probably had their own fair share of problems, seeing as we only developed in times of wars and fear.
These are all interesting theories and I love the discussion, but something I almost never see considered or acknowledged in these discussions is that it all focuses on the presumption that our biological makeup, culture, etc. would be similar enough to even begin to start building a dialogue. Consider life on another planet and how creatures would evolve to the conditions of that planet, maybe their senses are completely different, maybe their language is so incompatible with ours, them trying to figure out our communication or vice versa is near impossible given the lack of context or the ability to study that context. If they were able to somehow travel here, then I could understand how, whether they even wanted to or not, you would have to approach with nothing but extreme caution for a very very long time before even considering the idea of building some form of diplomacy.
You don't know what you're talking about. Nukes are not capable of destroying the planet itself, but they are capable of destroying our globalized civilization.
A nuclear war would mean the simultaneous breakdown of international communications combined with the total collapse of infrastructure in all the bombed countries and most of their neighboring countries. Global oil production would grind to halt with the collapse of global trade. Most of the population of the world depends on imports fueled by oil to sustain themselves.
This would be a test enough for the human race, were not for the fact that the debris entering the upper atmosphere would shield the earth from sunlight, causing an nuclear winter possibly for years, in some models for a decade. This would mean famine would strike the entire planet. The global population would drop to medieval levels, and that is an optimistic figure.
It doesn't however account for the spread of disease as a result of the breakdown of infrastructure and the prevalence of unburied corpses. Because countryside would not produce an abundance of food any longer due to nuclear winter, the preponderance of the population would likely remain in crowded city centers. The spread of disease would be rapid.
In addition to this, those effected by the immediate fallout of the nuclear weapons would suffer birth defects and infertility. This would further lower the number of survivors. There would likely be less human beings on the globe than there were in the middle ages, and they would be inhabiting an environment now immeasurably more hostile and infertile than the one which our ancestors inhabited.
The point is not that the planet would literally explode, it's that our civilization would not only cease to exist, it would be very unlikely that we would climb again to the position which we occupy today. Our ancestors had the benefit of a fertile planet to build our civilization on, nuclear war survivors would not.
>Consequences of a large nuclear war:
>"Do We Have A Future?" - Carl Sagan on Nuclear Weapons, 1987
>BBC drama depicting a nuclear war and its aftermath, 1984:
Do you idiots really think nuclear warfare is possible in the 21st century?
Really? There's too much at stake, no world power is stupid enough to start firing nukes. Except maybe India and Pakistan.
>Do you idiots really think nuclear warfare is possible in the 21st century?
Us and the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, yes.
> "Unchecked climate change, global nuclear weapons modernizations, and outsized nuclear weapons arsenals pose extraordinary and undeniable threats to the continued existence of humanity, and world leaders have failed to act with the speed or on the scale required to protect citizens from potential catastrophe. These failures of political leadership endanger every person on Earth.” Despite some modestly positive developments in the climate change arena, current efforts are entirely insufficient to prevent a catastrophic warming of Earth. Meanwhile, the United States and Russia have embarked on massive programs to modernize their nuclear triads—thereby undermining existing nuclear weapons treaties. "The clock ticks now at just three minutes to midnight because international leaders are failing to perform their most important duty—ensuring and preserving the health and vitality of human civilization."
And Iran and Israel, and then Russia and eventually the US. Don't be naive. This is assuming a radical sovereign group like ISIS doesn't acquire weapons grade material to build a dirty bomb and instigate a conflict between the four nuclear ready Middle Eastern nations.
>Except maybe India and Pakistan.
Which would be sufficient to force the planet into a phase of major depopulation.
Yes, the people in charge are this crazy.
Nah, most of the Aliens we've meet so far are inter-dimensional and live on alternate Earths. But, the borders can sometimes be disrupted or passed.
When we started showing Nuclear capability and even started using it, they could feel it over in their own dimension. It's dangerous to us and to them, and they're really trying to make sure we never use it against them or against ourselves because they'd be an unintentional casualty should we ever use them.
You guys are missing the first point about having nuclear weapons, it is a fear weapon. It acts as a threat, it is a constant reminder of impending doom. That is their foremost purpose.
You're in fantasy land if you think any country is going to use one today. That Samson Option link? Bluffing and threats from the Zionists.
>This is assuming a radical sovereign group like ISIS doesn't acquire weapons grade material to build a dirty bomb and instigate a conflict between the four nuclear ready Middle Eastern nations.
This is the only possibility. Even then I would question the capability of a group like ISIS to build a proper nuclear weapon (dirty bomb is a misnomer, the explosives used in such a device would be more lethal than the radiation). Furthermore it is highly unlikely they would be able to obtain weapons grade material.
>dirty bomb is a misnomer
no, the term "dirty bomb" is a DHS phrase for any potential chemical, biological, or radioactive device that's small enough to conceal and detonate within an enclosed public space to maximize damage and exposure. if ISIS had one and detonated it in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv and made it look like Iran, it'd be on like Solomon.
this ignores two things though: one, the point of the thread. two, ISIS doesn't threaten Israel or Saudi Arabia.
i can speak from years of experience of being around these beings that we are so far from their understanding of physics that our concept of violence neither reflects an adequate understanding of what we are nor of how that which we are may be harmed. neither at a macroscopic societal level nor at an individual level are we able to cause significant injury.
only in recent history have intelligence agencies begun to grasp the basics of how to disrupt our consciousness and its abilities.
they wear physical bodies like we pull tools from a toolbox. they have continuous memory extending for many many thousands of years.
personal experience is the only guide you will ever be able to fully have confidence in. seek to discover how and why your mind is preventing you from this knowledge.
OP, allow me to introduce you to the concepts of context and reference.
Your assertion that humans are a "war-like species" requires a comparison of similar stature. For instance, if I say "Germany once operated under a national-socialist party and was fascist", I can compare it to other nations and forms of government to provide boundaries that define "fascist" vs "non-fascist". This is the context, and the other nations are points of reference.
Now let's go to your claim. You say humans are a warlike species. However, you do nothing to compare or define what "warlike" means, such as comparing us to other organisms.
You make a vague attempt to define it with atomic energy, but you used an example that no other organism is even remotely capable of, rendering the comparison invalid.
The only reference point I can see are the aliens themselves, but you assume automatically that they are without internal conflict. Which you have no proof of.
>The only reference point I can see are the aliens themselves, but you assume automatically that they are without internal conflict. Which you have no proof of.
He used this circular argument for it:
>The fact that they exist as an advanced space-faring race is sufficient evidence that they lack the will to use those weapons, because if they had the will to use those weapons they would not exist as an advanced space-faring race.
it is not likely that there is only one source of other races
they are various ages and have various values
if you read Vedic sctipture they are clearly not at peace with all other races of beings and humans influenced by opposing races can become targets as well
I wanted the whole Isaac X and drone thing to be real...so bad. Still honestly not even sure what became of that. I know Alienware used the glyph stuff in their marketing later on though.
we are a zoo, come on /x/, get with the picture!
and those ufos? highly advanced drones capable of quantum time travel
this is a territorial planet, seems our newest ideals seem to be promoting equality and peace, or is it just a "hippy thing"? how long will this last? past this century? humans have held very different ideals every single century, or at least every few hundred years. there's no doubt we'll look back as a species 500 years from now and laugh at how simple society was
well i wouldn't call it simple. just a few days ago i saw the most powerful nation on the planet kiss the ass of a moron who leads a country with no significant economic or military power. why? because it's israel. such an illogical thing occuring at the highest levels of human goverment is a sign of immense societal complexity
Good. We're not ready and wars are continually set up by the owners of this world because the herd needs to be culled until there comes a time where we can spread to the stars. You will find that is the case the more research you do. Until we can go to the universe and guarantee human survival, murder, abort, etc, but don't wake up because you are just a worker bee.
They don't know how they want to approach us. Many of them watch and just sort of edge their way in disguised as religious dieties. Many of them think they should just wipe us out. Huge political discussion going on up there.
wasn't it viralpromo for the terminator tv series?
Much of sentient life are all variations on the same form, the closest of which are nearly indistinguishable from us.
We all share a simiar nature. There is common ground. They're watching, too. These are the growing pains, they've all been through it. There is no peace on the other side, either.
The guy risked his life to bring that information to the public but the public was not and still is not able to evaluate the data. It is real information leaked from real research efforts into non terrestrial subject matter. The fact that anyone wolud look thoroughly at that source and remain confused as to the nature of its validity is a sad reflection of the state of the development of human consciousness here on earth.
thats a proven hoax.
thanks for misinforming the populace on the behalf of the gov.
>alien race that has mastered faster than lightspeed travel
>can manipulate space and time perhaps even mentally
BOY I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE HUMANS ARE UP TO TODAY.
We won't be invited. Our 666 creation of man will.
A living T2 that has aged thiusands of years and is left aloke after the human race has died out. Then the aliens will have contact with us, but it will have been too late. They will seed our DNA on a new earthlike planet and leave our evolution to nature, and the history of the human kind will repeat itself this way until we ascend to ian interdimensional race.
>Babylon is in the 4th dimension
Just personally have known too many people who work on or around this stuff. You know how much of a joke you outsiders are to them? The best shills are the deceived themselves. You go ahead and tell yourself that I am the one subject to the deception.
This device explains how the pyramids were made in top-down fashion.
Was Giza an anti-gravity device?
The only divine creation on earth is the great pyramid. It is perfection, only a grand architect could implement it's design and correlation on earth relative to space.
Moat of the structure of the pyramids are cast in place concrete.
The depictions of women carrying water is for this purpose.
The rain seasons during the build can be seen in the layers due to the better curing when nature provided additional water. The longer concrete stays wet the harder it becomes.
The use of the the great pyramid as a producer of electricity is well documented. Even the word pyramid is derived from the greek - pyra midos - fire middle. The problem seems to be that the standards for evaluating research as 'adequate' differ greatly in various circles. I compete with non public entities for quality data evaluations. Sometimes I take point and take the lead. Inteligence has a curious characteristic; it is pointless to persue it if you do not already possesses it.
the opposite is from OPs theory is my curr theory, that our galaxy is a single red blood cell and any and all invaders could be hostile bactera that have evolved for millions of years and would be super intelligent and destructive.
More likely is a particle of matter at an immensely macroscopic perspective. Our understandings of scale are limited to where we are in the spectrum. Notice the pairing symmetry in our solar system? Could there exist direct correlation with atomic and subatomic models?
exactly, i still think its a cell tho. its 85%ish water like humans, and if u divide the suns temp by the size of the mikly way its 101 degrees per 10 square lightyears (or 1 or 100 i forget sry)
Personal experience leaves me with no option other than acknowledge that mk programs exist. Personal experience with these beings (pic) preceded my induction. At three years of age the beings showed me minor surgical procedures as done on my mother and that was the first time I can recall their staccato rhythm thought communication ..said "you - need - to - see - this"
At 5 I saw how hard the agencies try to break a mind so they can own what grows back in its place.
Everything you think you know is modeled in the neurons of your mind. Laughter, from tickling, from humor, from drugs, is overstimulation of these nerves.
Learning how images form in the mind is key. Learning to see with the mind is not optional. You must verify your own work. I have endured things that have given me insight. Luck may have been more of a factor in my survival than I care to admit. Also in my gathering of knowledge. The universe (or its local operators) must want me alive for some reason. I feel that the collection of knowledge that I have gathered is uncommon. I wish to document it so if I live on this world again there might exist a chance that I could find it. Otherwise there is little holding me here.
I have used my mind to see things that are not physically accessible. Most people won't get as far with this as I did. At the same time that the guy who fought for funding from the navy for the stargate program was discovering "synchronicities" I was calling them "day-parallels". Generally, as any being became aware of me I was also aware of it. Not talking about vague impressions. I could clearly see a full report written by pencil once, the sound of the rapid and focused heavy pressure pencilstrokes in dreamstate, and a few days later saw the fax it was sent to. Heavy plates of lead surrounded the machine and the paper had to come out a small hole at the top. Kinda comical i thought as i noticed the uniform of the recipient.
I later saw as bluelab personnel tried to work with some device. Odd i thought.. when i saw how primitive their efforts were.. but unlike me they had the tangible math. They had an imaging device putting one type of its various 'pixel' elements on a graphed display. I had seen similar but layered together with the full set for forming the basis of a blank 'film'
The consciousness that seemed to have drawn my consciousness there was smuggly overseeing the lesser scientist. He had probably read that there was a contactee describing similar technology in some detail.
In the 90s, in dreamstate, when I saw this writing i called it 'technicians script' because it was mostly inside of the gear i got around.
When I broke the mental model of reality that had been imposed as real for the first two decades of my life I did so by recalling many memories of these beings. In the first weeks after they established that they were physically real and interested in interaction they projected a series of recorded events into my dreamstate mind further clarifying what had actually happened during 5 events. Each event was shown as a single 'dream' and only did I understand what had been seen after I awoke and drew the images out for review. They were using the mind as a projection screen. Consider that.
I think its cause of Islam. Think about it would you greet a planet as an equal when one of the dominant religions is something like Islam? The religion is believe this crazy shit or we kill you!
thats not up to them.
So can you be specific in showing what has been disputed? I personally know that this type of leak was once very realistically possible. And that this type of data is handled by people who go home at the end of the day unable to share their professional lives with with their famlies.
>I have used my mind to see things that are not physically accessible
Gotta admit, it is funny how the public has been trained to think in short mentaly stunted sound bytes.
Clearly you are safe from using any cognitive aptitudes as a means of perception. ..and you have been trained to think that is a good thing.
Half minded mentaly deficient 'forest gump' types can excel in the modern terrain while persons burdened with highly functional cognitive aptitudes are left struggling. It is to be expected that lesser beings and lower primates fight for the superiority of their kind using bias, ridicule and violence. I don't feel any more at home amoung this kind of people than you would amoung a band of chimpanzees. There were times when volunteering service amoung the beings that my functionality as a human was an issue.
You draw humor from imagining that cognitive aptitudes do not exist. (The addition of your implied world view to the stated one stimulates neural structures excessively as the dual image structure is incompatible with your neurologically modeled world view) Imagining that these beings do not exist is the greater omission. To them you are not inaccessable, neither cognitively nor physically.
Yeah it's extremely stupid
high intelligence doesn't mean high morals, and only a scared little hippie could think all of this "ayy lmao the saviours"
they're the reason why people who rationally talks about aliens is seen as dumbnuts
I hate them
Strange how many people have been directed away from the caret source. Can anyone provide link to the information they are allowing to supplant it?
Also made mention to the director of the program previously when I pointed that my personal efforts were, at minimum, comparable to his. This evaluation was made by reading his 'less popular' book. That could have been deducted from my statement if you had done the same.
So what exactly is your contribution here? I see that there is a group who have been brought to negating consensus on the caret data source. Care to identify the source of your point of view? An examination of its dissemination will most probably be found to have implicating methodologies and/or associations.
God damn am I the only semi intelligent being on the internet?
Any space faring species would have the necessary defensive and aggressive behaviors to survive. The reason then is not that we are a warlike species but more that they would have nothing to gain from giving us advanced technology. It opens up the possibility of using this technology against them, for one, but also lessons their control over our species as a whole. If they are here, then they are interested in how natural selection affects our genes. That is the fastest way to produce beauty and adaptation, which they could then use in their own genetic engineering endeavors. If they grew people in a lab to see the effects of changing single genes they would have to wait for maturation and even then the physical effects may not be measurable i.e social interaction, ability to learn, emotional security etc... these things can only best be measured under natural circumstances i.e 7billion people on Earth.
There is much more but really I feel so enlightened to these obvious conclusions about aliums that noone ever agrees with... I feel... alienated from you all.
Accountability is probably the only real cause for moral behavior. Knowing that someone is watching can be a huge deterrent. On this website in particular it can be seen how people act when they feel hidden from accountability.
I highly doubt that there are Any other life forms close enough that we'll ever be able to meet up. But IF so, i highly doubt they have Been able to come close enough to gather information such as the independence day movie and shit. And they use weapons Too anon, trist me.
>I feel so enlightened to these obvious conclusions about aliums that noone ever agrees with
You shouldn't. The logic you're so proud of is something that even dogs know. Every living being on Earth is programmed with instincts to better it's own existence at the expense of others.
But you're overlooking alternatives because you are listening to your instincts too closely.
I say the following with the utmost humility about our understanding of life in the universe (as we literally only have 1 data point to go off of, since all life on Earth arose from a single source)
But, it seems likely that the deciding factors on whether or not aliens would be hostile are things like the abundance of resources in the universe.
What resources? We have no way of knowing, without knowing what technologies they possess. Beyond that you are trying to address purely cultural questions.
I see a lot of people who want to bring up trends on Earth such as "every example of new civilizations meeting each other ends in violence", however trends aren't black and white. The trend in fact is that as the standard of living is improved (and as education is improved), more and more people want to help (without reason) people who are less fortunate.
We can't even begin to address questions like that about aliens. What if their leaders would want to help us merely for publicity points? Like a politician kissing a baby. As long as they have no need to harvest our resources (in a universe that is probably brimming over with them, and they are probably already well adapted to living off of the most common elements in the universe) they have no need for direct hostility.
As far as studying us for their own scientific curiosity, why not simply ask us? We know a lot about our own bodies, and we definitely have access to humane methods for them to study us further if they with, scientists study human organs all the time without having to go killing people.
Don't be so quick to pass judgement since you know nothing about me or what I know.
Space faring civilizations would have all the resources they need and the methods to synthesize them. Genetic material is the only thing that cannot be instantly synthesized because the possibilities are so fast. Instead, it must be harvested.
They will easily be able to harness great amounts of power. The sun alone would allow them to bang together any material they want to, including the energy they require to travel through space.
As for my understanding of the universe, I know that it is a self contained entity. It is a predeterminate universe where time and space are not linear although biological organisms are limited in their perceptions because of entropic functions.
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>Genetic material is the only thing that cannot be instantly synthesized
>it must be harvested.
what does this even mean? Do you mean biological material? It can be grown in petri dishes, we can even grow organs in petri dishes.
Other than that, "genetic material" is just information isn't it? Information about the DNA sequencing, but again you don't have to kill people to get that.
As for harvesting our suns energy. Our sun is irrelevant in the incomprehensibly large sea of stars that is the milkyway alone. Not to mention that our sun is actually considered to be a very small star compared to what else is out there.
exactly. If they can use the energy of any typical sun to produce any element they want or produce anything that they have the blueprint for, they don't need to steal Earth's resources. But that's the thing- they need the blueprint. Lifeforms constantly produce new blueprints and this takes time- they must be harvested (gathered over time rather than produced instantly).
Information such as genetic, cultural, history, will be valued somewhat by an alien species. There is also the argument for altruism and relating to intelligent life that struggles to survive for why they have not enslaved or destroyed us.
>Genetic material is the only thing that cannot be instantly synthesized because the possibilities are so fast.
>cannot be instantly synthesized because the possibilities are so fast.
>because the possibilities are so fast.
>possibilities are so fast.
what the fuck dude?
We are not war like
We have a small planet and few leaders who desicdes our fate
With help from aliens we could be a much better mankind
But we are. Beelzebub was in our solar system for centuries, before being pardoned by our Endlessness, observing our strange psyche and our abnormal cycles of reciprocal destruction time and time again
There is a difference between information and knowledge.
If aliens just want information, then it's trivial for them to produce it in vast quantities - even an RNG can do that.
If it's knowledge they want, then it's unlikely to be found in the DNA of another species.
>IF you can't see value in genetic information, then that's fine dude. Nobody will care.
It's valuable to the organisms it belongs to, because it's a source of knowledge about themselves.
I struggle to see the appeal to aliens, though.
How about physical beauty, adaptation, cellular activity, virus immunities, metabolic adaptations i.e lactose intolerance. The list is so huge I can only begin to comprehend it myself.
Then there's knowledge for the sake of knowledge, something humans are very interested. Why would aliens not be interested in the many forms that life can take and how it is able to survive? As scientists, they would be immensely interested...
>How about physical beauty, adaptation, cellular activity, virus immunities, metabolic adaptations i.e lactose intolerance. The list is so huge I can only begin to comprehend it myself.
None of that stuff would cross the biochemical gulf between species with different origins. It's like jokes in another language - they simply don't translate.
>Then there's knowledge for the sake of knowledge
>Why would aliens not be interested in the many forms that life can take and how it is able to survive? As scientists, they would be immensely interested...
This I'll believe. It doesn't actually require any kind of travel though, it's the kind of thing we like to broadcast by radio.
What if I told you that Wars have been orchestrated?
The funny thing about humans is that they have the choice to be rational, and they opt out more often than not.
Ethics are both concrete in that they are a concept to be materialized and abstract in that they are subjective to the individual.
Aliens don't give a fuck if anything is violent. Being rational is much more important.
Until humans begin making the 'right' decisions they'll probably stay hidden/ignore us. Even after, I imagine most communication will be utilitarian in nature.
>high intelligence doesn't mean high morals
Yes, it does. Sure, there are smart people that murderers.
In general though, it takes foresight and a step away from egoistic behaviour to form morals.
I know a lot of guys on here consider themselves enlightened edgelords whose smartness made them tough.
But really, at the end of the day you are just selfish cunts.
For fuck's sake, have you guys ever heard of Kant?
Yes, but the point that has been stated and restated continually in this thread is that if they were to survive they would have to discover their capacity for peacefulness.
Let's state this as clearly as possible:
Violent species makes weapons.
Violent species & weapons = conflict.
Conflict = development.
Development = bigger weapons.
Bigger weapons = more destruction.
Violent species & bigger weapons = mutually assured destruction, MOD.
Nonviolent species & bigger weapons = NO mutually assured destruction.
Species continues to develop.
if aliens exist somewhere in the universe, on some planet like ours, with a Sun and moon and view of the stars, it's likely they'd originally ascribe to some type of astrotheological beliefs, that would influence their budding civilization with organized religion, secret societies and mystery schools. depending on when they got started and how far they made it in similar circumstances, they might not be that much more advanced than us at this point, if at all.
>None of that stuff would cross the biochemical gulf between species with different origins. It's like jokes in another language - they simply don't translate.
I beg to differ. If they aren't DNA based, they can still translate DNA based features into their own genetic language.
This is a vehicle showing effects of time dilation due to faster than than light travel. Persons onboard would see those standing on ground as moving in extremely slow motion.
This is the mode of operation used when examining military and industrial establishments. I KNOW this to be true due to personal observational experience. I can not provide you with personal experience. Why the beings saw fit to show this to me you may wonder. I can only advise you to awaken to your own ignored memory.
It is unfortunate that there are so many who lack this simple personal experiential knowledge. They live in a blindspot unable to become aware of basic truth.
>This is a vehicle showing effects of time dilation due to faster than than light travel.
>Other races that do not posses Warp tech are excluded from such considerations in the same way animals are excluded from current human value systems
well, other than, you know, the whole sentience thing.
The human race is an estrogen riddled, pansy, chicken shit race only ever capable of fighting like females and feeling sorry about it later instead of properly celebrating crushing the enemy, enslaving him and raping his women. Some of these "alien" species celebrate their victories like humans celebrate Christmas.
Humans are are colonial creature, like ants. The actions of the individual mean little to the overall action of the superorganism. Even the peaceful and whatever else personality is part of the overall phenotype. This is hardwired survival instinct which has enabled Homo Sapiens to conquer and eradicate all other human subspecies, as compulsory as breathing and sex.
>The human race is an estrogen riddled, pansy, chicken shit race only ever capable of fighting like females and feeling sorry about it later instead of properly celebrating crushing the enemy, enslaving him and raping his women. Some of these "alien" species celebrate their victories like humans celebrate Christmas.
scary, good post op
I believe you're a pathetic mass of stubbly flesh sweating to cartoon pornography in your mother's basement, bringing down her resale value with your thick stench of sweaty asshole on leather and stale cum.
If a sufficiently advanced race thought we were enough of a threat to exclude us then the logical progression is simple genocide. There are three possibilities.
>nobody has seen is yet, but when they do we are fucked.
>nobody has seen us yet and when they do they will make contact
>they have seen us, and are ignoring us because we are uninteresting...
>bonus: there's an RKV en route to our planet sent as soon as our first radio transmissions were picked up
What's truly frightening is that we could be deemed a threat by an alien force hiding out in our Kuiper Belt and all they'd have to do is change the trajectory of a huge piece of frozen rock out there and we wouldn't have a chance.
Fuck I hate cunts like you, not educated never give reputable sources or cite anything they say. It's always "when u do some research u'll see m8" but I assume they're just meaning some shitty WorldTruth.tv article they read while on shrooms. You are a dumb cunt that thinks his shitty ideological views are ones that all humans should share. You need to wake up dickhead and realize that everything you believe is objectively wrong.
>inb4 jew disinfo
>Soon ull lrn m9
Well yeah. They weren't entirely wrong, just constantly misguided and embroiled in youth culture, which is always a self-congratulatory circle-jerk of immaturity labeled as enlightenment.
No. We're a small-group species that has created society through a progressive body of artifice. We have essentially the same psychology as the small tribal cultures of the Paleolithic era.
Until 2000, the largest known ant supercolony was on the Ishikari coast of Hokkaidō, Japan. The colony was estimated to contain 306 million worker ants and one million queen ants living in 45,000 nests interconnected by underground passages over an area of 2.7 km2 (670 acres). In 2000, an enormous supercolony of Argentine ants was found in Southern Europe (report published in 2002). Of 33 ant populations nested along the 6,004-kilometre (3,731 mi) stretch along the Mediterranean and Atlantic coasts in Southern Europe, 30 belonged to one supercolony with estimated millions of nests and billions of workers, interspersed with three populations of another supercolony. The researchers[which?] claim that this case of unicoloniality cannot be explained by loss of their genetic diversity due to the genetic bottleneck of the imported ants. In 2009, it was demonstrated that the largest Japanese, Californian and European Argentine ant supercolonies were in fact part of a single global "megacolony".
Another supercolony, measuring approximately 100 km (62 mi) wide, was found beneath Melbourne, Australia in 2004.
Not sure what his point is in this exact quote but in his other comments he mentions building a machine in a subspace dreamstate realm to the effect that he could check its parts for wear some time later. Sounds like bullshit until you personally experience persistant subspace dreamstate reality. You can literally leave your physical body behind and move there.
Dark matter is observed in space. A similar percentage of the mass of this world is due to the presence of dark matter here. It will result in a substantial addition to our periodic chart of elements when the reality of this is grasped.
Even with personal contact and interaction with these beings for my entire life I do not feel I have any significant insight into their homeworld culture. Speculation can only help us be prepared for what is there. Their character will be found to be complex beyond comprehension in light of technology that is same. The nature of mastery of knowledge is to find simplicity in complex data. Seeing the universe in light of greater insight their action is compulsory and immediate. They come here urgently to assist in our growth and development but there are few who are awake enough to pass even crude evaluations of aptitude. The dna is shaped by the mind and emotion and also by other bosonic and fermionic properties that are still beyond our measure. This is what can not be synthesized in stabil contained form. Although a great deal of their work focuses on reproduction, these bodies are vessels of containment for something much more valued and much more durable.
>The dna is shaped by the mind and emotion and also by other bosonic and fermionic properties that are still beyond our measure.
Wrong sir, even if they were an incredibly militaristic and violent culture a ruling elite would always probably survive. You better believe there is some secret vault the rich people will live in till they die when we all nuke each other.
>Strange how many people have been directed away from the caret source.
You're retarded or just new. Go check the /x/ archives, we've had dozens if not more threads on it before. All the pictures have been posted on this board before.
Thanks for the links. Any inteligence agency that settles for that quality of data source is its own worst enemy. Any civilian who can not read for quality beyond the scope provided and recomended as stoping point by those sources is at the mercy of fate to deliver truth through the tight of their own limited vision.
I am not always 'right'. I actively seek my own errors and am not embarassed to expose my efforts to arrive at correct evaluation and assessment. In this particular situation the quality of the negating efforts is far far inferior to the quality of the data source that it purports to negate. For now I let that simple quality assessment stand. The negating text also strongly attempts to disuade persons from approaching the available information directly, asking persons to content themselves with the grossly inadequate summary. Is this where you stopped? I personally know persons who had hands on such items as those trusted to the department that 'isaac' was part of. You are not on the right side in this matter.
Everything fights, from bacteria to whales. Everything uses tools to advance itself. Sometimes that means consuming or dominating other creatures.
Human build. We create. We use our faculties not only for consumption, domination, and destruction, but also for creation. We build infrastructure. We build technology. We build societies that care about morality, ethics, etc.
Of course we aren't perfect, but that's not my point. My point is this:
What makes you think that the use of tools to dominate others for one's own gains is limited only to lower life forms? Virtually every species does it in some form. Even rabbits and other incredible docile animals are absolute maniacs from the perspective of the grass.
Why would aliens be any different? Why would they care that we are violent?
Have you ever tried to justify your existence to your pet hamster? Have you ever tried to teach your pet hamster calculus? You might love your pet hamster, but you also know what it is; a fuckin' hamster. It isn't capable of the same things you and I are capable of.
If anything, our nuclear weapons seemed to have attracted alien species. Imagine if your hamster started using a small stick to pry open its cage... would that get your attention? UFO sightings exploded (forgive the pun) after we started testing nuclear weapons. Lately they have been less... convincing... than many of the earlier ones.
Aside from my egregious spelling errors I want to clarify: When I say tools, I mean natural born tools. It's a poor choice of wording. For example, I was thinking of our limbs, our ability to manipulate objects, our ability to bite... stuff like that. Those are our "tools" so to speak... although there is a big distinction between those kinds of tools, and manufactured tools, of course.
Wow you really are schizo.
I don't want to take the time to dissect your post for another rambling in return but I will mention this. The links posted have ALL of the CARET pictures and docs on them, if not on the direct page I linked then elsewhere on the sight.
>I personally know persons who had hands on such items as those trusted to the department that 'isaac' was part of. You are not on the right side in this matter.
This is a desperate cry to get people to believe you.
If anyone is an intelligence agency member here I'm sure it is you.
Possible, but there's still a few cases that make me wonder. I doubt any single phenomenon can explain all UFO sightings.
I'm willing to bet most of them are human fancy of one form or another, but not all.
The physical event of atomically piecing together our dna is subject to many variables beyond the predictable expected production process and outcome.
There will be found mathematical significance to the events of defective reproduction of dna. The influences are reflections of macroscopic events that have bearing upon atomic bonding ranging from mechanically produced particle emittions, microwaves and electromagnetic fields to more subtle natural processes including bosonic properties that are only recently being observed through research efforts at places such as c.e.r.n.
Some of this insight is 'theory' and unproven. However, the specifics are gradually coming to light. How do you envision the known concept of 'instinct' to be caused to occure?
How much knowledge do you have about the matter?
I did not bring up the subject of dna. Just responded to the existing dialogue with my own concepts.
The main focus of my theory on the matter of dna is that more than simple biological instructional information is recorded. The advanced form of the theory includes certain physical properties that, although known by certain persons and disciplines, are not generally accepted public knowledge.
Perhaps you are not familiar with what I am refering to.
Care to contribute from your knowledge on the matter? If I have made a glaring error please be so kind as to point it out. I am not a postgrad student of the field.. If you are well versed it should not be hard to bring more specifics to the table than I am able to.
Unfortunately it is entirely real. This is one of my few outlets for my experiences. There are few people who can deal with it. There is a lot more than just the beings from the stars to deal with once you are able to accurately perceive. Interestingly, Native Americans seem to have natural aptitudes toward these matters. Almost all of my close friends have been native american. When you can see the reality of the dreamstate world you are well on your way to finding personal experience.
Perhaps the first time I had to deal with it directly I was attacked (in dream) by a young guy I knew only through a new group of friends. Attacked while face down I chased him from the moment he let me up to flee. Out of the bedroom through hall into livingroom I got to the point where he had gone into the ground. I looked closely at the colors as the heatlike signature faded. I walked back to my body and woke as if steping back into the thing. It was not simply a dream. It was a calling to an out of body reality that is available to us all.
The technology of the beings from the stars bridges the gap between this realm and that.