>>15928293 didnt one of the twin towers "fall" on it? or the majority of the rubble hit building 7? i remember seeing a top down photo taken a few days after, with the streets and outlines of buildings superimposed over the pic. it showed debris paths that wen right over 7, i think.
The ENTIRE terrorist attack was staged JUST to delete 7 WTC. They thought everyone would look at the 2 taller buildings and their demolition of it would go unnoticed, but they were WRONG. It was also a convenient excuse to go to war. Coincidence? Could be.
>>15928317 there were TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS inside. TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS that were not to be seen by the AVERAGE AMERICAN. firefighters report seeing rooms full of PAPER SHREDDING DEVICES to destroy these TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS.
>>15928335 The things that get shredded the most are paper files left in the back of cabinets and forgotten for decades. Before computers became more mainstream, EVERYTHING was filed with paper. And the government specifically used SHITLOADS of paper, because every little thing has a form or regulation, so that shit piled up really fucking fast. They were literally hemorrhaging money buying all the shredder oil they needed to convert to electronic storage and said "fuck it", and shipped everything to 7 WTC, and blew it the fuck up. 'Murrica.
>>15928347 and wtc 1 was a big building wasnt it? roughly 1.6 billion cubic feet if my math is right(i know it isnt). so its all agreed that just one tower collapsing is going to spit out a ton of shit in every direction, yes?
>>15928360 GODDAMN. i have never been more IMPRESSED by a post here. this answers EVERYTHING. wtc 7 was OBLITERATED in a plot to undermine the FREE MARKET EFFORTS of the anglo-saxon shredder oil industry. i just read on godlike that the main LOBBYISTS against said shredder oil industry were the owners of THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, the silversteins.
When has a single event with a relatively small handful of deaths ever changed the views and policies of an entire country so easily and drastically?
Whoever orchestrated this was a total genius and an unsung hero. Just before 9/11, America was becoming stagnant. Too complacent, and lacking in direction. The masterminds painted a pretty picture, gave the people something to point their guns at. Something to come together against. The war on terror is the greatest thing that every happened to this country. They truly were the good 'ol days.
Large buildings are designed to pancake in case of massive structural damage, jesus christ you conspiritards. Learn some common sense. You know how much damage a building like that would cause a densely packed city like NYC? The architects designed it to pancake in case of a catastrophic event such as 9/11, however unlikely they thought it may be.
All our speculation about what should and should not happen when planes hit a building is based on this one instance. We need to start crashing more planes into buildings to learn more about the phenomenon, and determine once and for all whether what we observed here was a natural sequence of events.
But the government won't allow that, will they? I wonder why.
That was then, now it's divide and conquer with all that ''innocent black teen shot by white officer'', the sheep take to the streets chanting #livesmatter because the media told them it was a racial thing. It's a shame, the innocent deaths of 9/11 brought Americans together and now they're falling apart again..
>>15927877 The plane collapsed the top section of the building bringing the weight down on the next floor, which couldnt hold the weight. Then the next floor. So on and on. Termed pancaked. These buildings are not designed for that type of weight or load.
i dont know anything about anything, but ive always wondered if maybe there's some kind of secret design spec wherein every large building in a city has built-in det charges?
explains some things: the way the buildings fall, photos of support beams clean-cut reason they'd want people to not ask questions newscasters getting info that buildings are going down before they do.
So basically the planes hit. city goes crazy. people at the highest level of damage control decide to "pull" the buildings instead of letting the top half of them possibly burn/topple into the streets.
"It is certainly true that on 9/11 the BBC broadcast that WTC7 had collapsed when it was still standing. Then the satellite transmission seemed to cut out mysteriously when the correspondent was still talking."
>>15931375 Because he is an evil man that has destroyed numerous countries and currencies.
He is a genuinely evil man. During WW2 he pointed out other jews to the Nazi's while being a jew himself. Of course he is "forgiven" for that because of the large donations of cash he gives the ADL and other jewish groups.
He nearly crashed the British Pound (when they were still on the Pound and not Euro) and he crashed the Argentinean economy back in the 90's. He has destroyed 4 currencies and is on his way to do more damage.
He has been sponsoring radical groups throughout the world including FEMEN and just in Ferguson over 36 different groups. That is why people are still screaming about "race".
He wants to help Obama "fundamentally change America" and is behind the dumping of the 3rd world into Europe and North America.
You might not know about him nor care but he knows all about you and wants you to suffer.
>>15931535 >the truth WTC1 hit and seriously damaged WTC7 which caught fire and burned all day, unchecked after the firefighters were pulled out because they thought it would collapse, and eventually it did.
"Truther" lies to the contrary notwithstanding, both the damage and the fire were severe, as can be seen in videos, photos and firefighters' accounts, if you make the effort to research both sides' claims.
>>15928057 >Implying architects aren't just building design faggots that doesn't know shit about structural physics.
It's a fucking concrete building, the impact was distributed among all the floors and they collpsed at the same time. It's not like a demolition bomb destroying the first floor and the rest just falling down and collapsing one by one as they hit the floor.
>>15931702 if the buildings are all designed to pancake downwards perfectly, as they claim, so as to not hit the surrounding buildings, why did a collapsing building's debris hit another building, which even had a third building between them?
TL;DR: they say the buildings are designed to not splash their debris onto other buildings, and then they say that's exactly what happened.
you don't need "fire hot enough to melt steel". All you need is a big fucking hole and fire hot enough to weaken steel. And of course it didn't weaken pentagon structure enough, it isn't the height of WTC
This is the first and last time I'm posting in a conspiracy theory thread.
I know people that believe this was an inside job, or at least that the official version does not depict what really happened. I know people that do not bother questioning the official version.
I don't believe the official version either.
My only reason is: considering the importance of such an event, how could any of us simply believe that the governments have made public every information on it? There has to be some things that governments keep hidden, as they always have; thus, the official version may have holes. But that seems quite normal to me. This is called raison d'État.
We may not agree that this is fair, of course, but this allow us to understand the flaws of the official version of events —to understand that there are indeed flaws— WITHOUT believing that, from what we have gathered, what have been made public, what have been leaked, we can reconstruct the whole truth —which is the kind of naive attitude of conspiracy theorists that bugs me the most. How would you think even remotely possible that, having a government hugely more powerful than you, you can find the very "truth" they want to hide?
This is why it seems pointless to me to try to find the "true" version, as we are bound not to find the elements the government, for various reasons we cannot understand, or that we can maybe, wants hidden.
And I'm sorry if that was not very clear, since English is not my native tongue.
>>15931781 >implying truthers aren't even more contradictory I never claimed they were designed to pancake, that was another anon, but with the way the floor trusses were designed the two towers might as well have been.
>why did a collapsing building's debris hit another building, which even had a third building between them? The outer columns were pushed outwards and broke off in chunks hitting surrounding buildings, which you can clearly see in the videos. The building in between was only 8 stories tall, so it wasn't a barrier to debris from 100 floors up, and was also badly damaged.
You can see WTC7 get hit in the videos, and there are photos of and testimony about the exterior damage and the extensive smoke from the fires. The fire department evacuated their crews from the area because they were afraid it would collapse. People who claim the building was undamaged and the fires were small are either willfully ignorant or outright liars.
>>15927877 From my experience on the internet it's shills 1, and truthers 7.
The only reason shills have a point is because they gave themselves that point ayy lmao.
Truthers are not as crazy as the shills want you to believe they are. They want you to think they are crazy uneducated unstable people who would do violent things, but the truth is they are very educated well at least some of them are. They are exposing the violent things that our most trusted leaders pull off, and that's why shills are placed there to debate against them with nothing, but name calling.
I've seen truthers refute so many shills with solid evidence, and the shill get so angry about it everytime.
Like yea the people you try to call stupid are actually way more educated than you.... go figure.
>>15932097 Protip: The truthers are the shills, and all this "hurr controlled demolition" bullshit is a distraction from the real questions about 911, which are how it was allowed to happen and how it was used to justify an illegal war on an uninvolved 3rd party.
> the truth is they are very educated well at least some of them are The problem there is they think their education in an unrelated or tangentially related field makes them experts on how buildings collapse when you crash planes into them or let them burn uncontrolled, which is something nobody actually knew until it happened.
>>15928447 Clinton had handed over the U.S. armed forces to the U.N. and the joint chiefs had no power except to provide the U.N. with an army. The treaty had an out though and the events of 911 fit them like a key in a lock. The financial district, the military command establishment, and separately American lives lost on American soil all had to be attacked. We retain our armed services only so long as we are in state of emergency. Hillary will put our necks back in the noose as soon as able and make an occupied U.S.A. a real possibility.
if jet planes are all it takes to bring down huge buildings and some surrounding them then why waste money building missiles at all? why don't they board planes heading to their target countries at airports in countries without crazy security or one of the middle eastern ones that support these crazy bastards and just hijack them again? if it takes 1 plane each to destroy those huge towers image how much damage a jet plane can do to a bunch of regular sized buildings
>>15932327 >>15932346 That is what the intelligence community actually believes. You millennials are the product of a school system designed to create a very refined form of misinformed ignorance. You have been trained to bite your own leg like Pavlovian dogs. You have had the cornerstones of truth disguised before you and concealed from your view.
Neither side is right.. but on this occasion, one of them is intent on killing on massive scale on home turf to introduce a foreign ideology.
>>15932964 I'm no millenial mate, I grew up in the cold war and I've heard enough of that kind of fringe wingnut lunacy over the years to dismiss it. The real danger isn't the dems and the UN, except insofar as the dems are in thrall to the same corporate interests as the republicans.
I also remember real conspiracies with real evidence like Iran-Contra. The Cheney administration, which included a lot of the Iran-Contra crowd, was up to all kinds of shady stuff that needs to be investigated and I wouldn't be surprised to find they were complicit because 9/11 was so convenient for them (not that I believe it, but if evidence did turn up I wouldn't exactly be shocked). That's why "truthers" and their lies piss me off, most of their claims are utterly nonsensical and all they do is distract from the real questions and discredit the questioners.
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The penetration of General Ding included hiring Perry's personal paid consultant, Dr. John Lewis, to help the Chinese Army obtain a secure communications computer network and getting his wife, Madam General Nie Li to erect a false front company. The book also includes details of suspected Chinese spy Hua Di who worked closely with Secretary Perry and then fled back to China in 1996.
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The plan was to occupy north america with a landing force of 80 million.
First the Achilles tendon of the nation would be cut; the electric grid. Nukes delivered by shiping container were to then be detonated in port cities, one every 15 minutes until unconditional surrender was granted by the remaining functional national presence in Washington D.C.
It was not a joke. Do your own homework qualifying and vetting sources. No one has denyed any part of this book. They ignore it and try to make it go away.
Just kidding. Conspiracy theorists don't need facts. Facts are manufactured by shapeshifting reptilians in the fourth dimension with the blood of toddlers. Facts against the conspiracy are just further proof that there is an ongoing conspiracy; isn't that right?
>be cool >there's a reptile vibrating in the 4th dimension right behind you
>>>/pol/ There is nothing inherently theoretical about conspiracies, and there is nothing inherently conspiratorial about theories, and most of all there is absolutely nothing inherently paranormal about either of those things. This is clearly a political issue based on the political, global, socioeconomic ramifications of the event.
>>15928967 "those buildings" Like they were fucking retirement home sin alabama. you ever been to nyc or seen the WTC beforehand? those fuckers were able to carry every fat person in the universe. WTc had little damage done and the damage that was done was much lower. why the fuck would the very top start to falla nd then perfectly.
shit was well played out. I dunno who did. probably murica/jews of ourcse and saudis" probably CIA saudis. i dunno or care anymore though.
What the hell is wrong with you all, it's obvious that a plane filled with muslim extremists hit the world trade center, in order to try and scare america from interacting in the middle east and finding their weapons of mass destruction. Why is that so hard for all of you to grasp you retards. There was a plane, it wasn't a hologram, staged, or the jews.
>>15938221 It always seemed really short-sighted to me to be a shill for the JIDF/NWO/whoever.
If the NWO/Illuminati/whatever wins, you know they'll stab you in the back the second you're not needed. You know too much and they have no more use for you. At least this way you and your family might get a quick death if they're not in a sadistic mood.
If the NWO/etc. loses, you'll be hung as a traitor when the records of who tried to fuck over humanity are found, and your family spat on for harboring such a snake.
And whatever happens, it's not like you'll go to heaven. According to Dante, the 7th circle of Hell (the worst) is reserved for political shills (he uses different language but the meaning is the same). I don't think there's a single religion or moral philosophy that sees you going anywhere but down as a result of your deception. Maybe nihilism but that's just for edgy teenagers.
>>15939033 >If the NWO/Illuminati/whatever wins, you know they'll stab you in the back the second you're not needed. i don't know, they've been taking centuries already, if anything i'd call it job security. plus, it's a government gig which means benefits, pension, all that! sounds breddy gud to me!
>>15939326 Maybe I'm trying to help you save your immortal soul because I have my own interests at heart.
Shilling implies deceit. If I believe what I'm saying then it's not shilling. You might call it preaching, I prefer to think of it as spiritual guidance.
I don't claim to have all the answers but I believe that knowingly leading your brothers and sisters down a dark path towards ignorance and slavery (and motivated by greed of all things) will come back to bite you on the ass.
>>15939383 >Shilling implies deceit does it? I see it more as loving my job
I genuinely think you would be happier if you didn't stress out over antiquated depictions of spirituality and afterlife.
Also if you stopped depicting every unpleasant person and alternate worldview you encounter as part of an organized conspiracy against yourself. It's an incredibly self-important way of viewing the world.
>>15928360 Why the fuck would they ship everything to a crowded location and create some sort of elaborate grand conspiracy to destroy it? Surely there would be more practical locations, no? Not to mention locations that would go unnoticed enough not to have "enlightened" morons like yourself running around claiming to know the truth.
>>15939419 Yes, shilling does imply deceit. If there's no deceit then it's just promotion of a genuine viewpoint, just an honest argument.
I genuinely think you would be a better person if you spent more time reflecting on spirituality and afterlife and less time promoting ignorance for cash. Just because some people would have us believe the idea of a soul belongs to ancient superstition doesn't make it so. You know how lies and disinfo work and you don't have a monopoly on bullshit. But if you'd prefer to lie to yourself like you do to everyone else, it's your life, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Also, I don't view every unpleasant person and alternate worldview I encounter as part of an organized conspiracy against myself, but when I read an article like this one...
...then I think it's a good idea to be on the lookout for such self-confessed agents of deception when I'm trying to learn about the world and discuss potentially hidden or controversial truths with total strangers. That's not paranoia, it's prudence.
>>15939518 >Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.
This thread has 100+ posters, which likely means 200+ people viewing the thread. If 200+ people regularly gathered IRL to discuss government lies and potential murder of their own citizens, don't you think an agency founded with the aim of monitoring these dissenting voices would take an interest? I think this site, with it's millions of users, qualifies as "online discourse."
Deny / Disrupt / Degrade / Deceive
I've seen these tactics used in thread after thread, particularly ones discussing the government and conspiracy "theories," and I know I can't be sure they're shills, but neither can anyone rule it out when there's so much evidence of disinfo operations being carried out on the internet.
>>15941491 totally possible. the Chinese require military service of their citizens, so mobilizing that many soldiers, while an insane feat, would not be impossible. now, shipping dozens and dozens of nukes in shipping crates would be close to impossible without complicity, but hey, what's a conspiracy theory without some suspension of disbelief?
Started watching part of this on the failure to intercept the planes, and I'm curious, what were they supposed to do if they had actually caught up to them? I mean if the planes were actually hijacked, what are a couple guys in jets supposed to do? Shoot down a plane full of civilian passengers?
So they were supposed to shoot down civilians while they had no idea where these planes were actually headed? I mean if they knew they were headed straight for the WTC I could understand the concern raised here, but the planes were all over the fucking place. Shooting down a civilian airplane would be a huge disaster for whoever green lit the order, and even more so if they shot it down without knowing its intended target.
>>15941970 That hadn't been established, though. The problem here is you're using hindsight the people at the time didn't have to try and dictate their actions.
I remember the day quite distinctly. I was preparing for work and my girlfriend and I at the time were watching the news. The first plane had hit the first tour and everyone was scrambling to determine whether the crash was intentional or just a spectacular accident. It was only after the second plane hit that it became quite clear it was all an intentional attack. Until you knew that, shooting them out of the sky would be premature to a horrific level, especially since using planes as weapons like that didn't have a well established precedent.
It's rather like the whole argument of why people would let some guys with boxcutters take over a plane. Historically, hijackings were just that, hijackings. People didn't typically hijack a plane in order to suicide dive it into something. That was not something to be anticipated.
And yet evidence strongly suggests that one plane nevertheless learned of the actions of the other two or three and, realizing that precedent was about to be challenged, managed to thwart the attempt (more or less.) That fits in far more rationally with the reality of the knowledge the people at the time had, not the knowledge you have years later.
A plane that has been hijacked, though. You think the guys who hijacked it are just going to let the pilots perform crash-landing protocols? They were already planning on dying, so if they shot down the plane why wouldn't they just force the pilots to dive-bomb it anyway?
And if it had been given, why the fuck wasn't it carried out? I thought the issue was that jets hadn't even been sent to intercept the planes, so why the order? Help a curious anon out man, I'm just trying to fill in the blank spots the video doesn't cover
>>15941753 >>15941753 China's auxiliary army, the women's army, is larger than the American general population.. man, woman, children & elderly included. And how dumb would anyone have to be to not notice the thousands of shipping containers that arrive daily. The plan was low tech and realistic in its objectives.
>It was the perfect plan >they would secretly engineer a false flag attack on the World Trade Center >They would blame the whole thing on a Saudi Arabian living in Afghanistan >So that Halliburton could go build roads in Iraq >It all seemed so logical, so simple >Then somebody piped up >Maybe it was Wolfowitz >He said that he didn't think destroying WTC 1 and 2 would be enough to put the public over the edge in order to garner the necessary popular support >We need something more >Just a little extra >The room was silent for several minutes >Then suddenly Rumsfeld leapt up >I've got it! >We'll blow up building 7 as well! >Building 7 >Which, along with buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6 >No one outside of New York had a fucking clue even existed >Yeah! Shouted the NY Fire Commissioner >(He was there too) >And instead of using real airplanes we can use remote-controlled missiles that are disguised as airplanes, with wings and fake windows and everything >Everbody agreed it was an excellent plan >In the end, however, then didn't have quite enough money in their budget to put fake windows on the missile planes
>>15931554 You're not going to educate and rally the masses because the masses don't give a shit. You're so obsessed with the big picture that you don't even realize what's important. Why do you care so much about a bunch of people whose names you don't even know? Live selfishly. Fuck everyone. Do what you want to do. No matter how much you think someone is trying to stop you, they can't. There's a way around every rule and the people that realize this live the most fulfilling lives.
>>15931413 >(when they were still on the Pound and not Euro) Ahahaha holy shit! Where did you hear this? It's funny 'cause you're trying to sound as if you know what's going on but you think the UK uses the euro. Fuck, man. That's comedy gold.
>>15932964 >You millennials are the product of a school system designed to create a very refined form of misinformed ignorance. You have been trained to bite your own leg like Pavlovian dogs. You have had the cornerstones of truth disguised before you and concealed from your view. I'm going to need an elaboration on this. As you know. Just because someone says something doesn't mean you shoud believe it.
>>15943848 Propaganda is managed by new and improved methods with improved quality controls. Your daily consumption of entertainment media is now inclusive of carefully targeted data that is designed to erase your view of just exactly where the truth lies even on matters that affect you directly. However, the most significant deviations present in your informational environ are those reflecting the concealed data of the inteligence community. This takes the most skill at discernment to arrive at accurate understandings of exactly (or even approximately) who is acting for or against you. Given blured and obscured truths you will be caused to pick your leaders from groups that actively mean you harm.
If the powers that be were intent on allowing anyone other Clinton into the oval office then there would already be a massive media campaign in place. Over 1.3 billion was spent by the Obama administration to gain a 12% victory over the McCain camp that had spent 'only' 300 million campaigning. But beyond the scope of that spending, hidden assets of the supporters of whoever pressed Obama upon us were spending even more as they directed all interests under their influence toward the cause of directing public opinion.
Behind the scenes is a view that victims of the propaganda machine would find very disturbing. The public is insulated from the truth by the simple fact that they will reject it if confronted with it directly and then also ignore opportunity to discover truth.
>>15927877 New York city fag here, Then mayor, Giuliani, Thought that the debris from the other towers collapsing was going to burn down the 7th tower so he said to "Pull it" and so it was demolished. No conspiracy there. Just being a dumb fuck mayor
>>15945842 What is wrong with you? How hard is it to look this up? It has been posted in this thread several times. And again; http://www1.ae911truth.org/faqs/682-how-did-they-know-examining-the-foreknowledge-of-building-7s-destruction.html http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s
>>15946048 So what? It was a confusing day, things sometimes get misreported during live coverage, and of course they had prior knowledge because the fire department was expecting it to collapse all afternoon.
>>15946219 They were predicting that an unprecedented event would occur 4 hours before the conditions existed to make it possible. How did that happen? The link refers to detailed studies of the reports that were present in the media. You are the one supporting myth with a request that people quit seeking truth through research. The data clearly indicated that somethings were not as reported in the official story.
How can you call this information theory? The only way is to ignore the truth. Ex-CIA Lindauer Blows Whistle: 9/11, Iraq War: https://youtu.be/Ioh9jGAk-g8
>>15946355 >You are the one supporting myth with a request that people quit seeking truth through research. Lolno it's the complete opposite. I was intrigued, and researched, and discovered that in spite of "truther" lies, WTC7 was actually badly damaged by WTC1 and fully engulfed in flames by the end of the day (that would probably have destroyed the putative explosives and det cord btw). There's plenty of evidence of this, just not on any of the truther sites.
>>15946409 Oh well then.. two judges said so.. well fuck.. Thats way beyond the capacity of the CIA if they were trying to discredit her. Dont bother taking into account that she has no indications of mental health issues that can be cited. This is the kind of information that paid shills actually do set out to hide from clear public view.
>>15946398 Maybe you don't understand that the building still standing on live camera feed showing the reporter as she says it has already fallen. Maybe you don't realize this type of collapse is unprecedented and was said to be the certain outcome four hours before the conditions that made it possible to plausibly claim.
What makes you think she's talking about WTC 7? Around 1:18 in the video you linked, for example, she explicitly says "the trade center appears to still be burning". WTC 7, as the video points out, is not on fire. Then shes says that behind the smoke and ash is an "empty piece of what was a very familiar New York skyline and a symbol of the financial prosperity of this city". Now can you please explain to me how that in anyway refers to WTC 7 and justifies this claim? Because to me is sounds like she's talking about the image of the Twin Towers, which, like she said, was a "symbol" of New York's.
Large numbers of case files for ongoing investigations by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) were reportedly destroyed in the collapse. The Los Angeles Times reported that "substantial files were destroyed" for 3000 to 4000 of the SEC's cases. The EEOC reported that documents for 45 active cases were destroyed. 3 Before the attack, SEC investigations of corporate fraud by companies such as Enron and Worldcom were the subject of many news reports -- reports that virtually vanished in the wake of the attack.
Two things: 1. Where are you getting these times from? 2. How does a 26-minute discrepancy in a news report prove there's a conspiracy when WTC 7, damaged by debris from tower 1 and an internal fire, simply collapsed from structural failure?
Ok.. Try watching the ENTIRE video all the way through until the end. The part where the timestamp clearly shows the time is the place where I am getting the time of the event from and it is uncontested by BBC as the time of broadcast. In the full analysis done by professional researchers, of the 50 some odd reports of imminent collapse examined that are on public record some were distributed as far as 4 hours prior to the event. There are no other events of buildings collapsing due to fire and the special conditions that even make the claim plausable did not exist at that time.
As far as proof of conspiracy is concerned; Japanese Parliament Questions Official 9/11 Story: https://youtu.be/C0D_tZpqcNc
There is also a video of Japanese parliament discussing obvious signs of insider trading that occured in the days prior.
The Times reported on September 18 that investigations were under way into the unusually large numbers of shares in insurance companies and airlines sold off before the attack, in the UK, Italy, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, France and the US. News accounts in the weeks that followed reported a notable pattern of trading in the options of United and American Airlines as well as Morgan Stanley and other market activity. An article published in The Journal of Business in 2006 provides statistical evidence of unusual put option market activity days before 9/11:
Examination of the option trading leading up to September 11 reveals that there was an unusually high level of put buying. This finding is consistent with informed investors having traded options before the attacks.
In a statement to the 9/11 Commission in 2003, Mindy Kleinberg, of the 9/11 Family Steering Committee, said:
Never before on the Chicago Exchange were such large amounts of United and American Airlines options traded. These investors netted a profit of at least $5 million after the September 11 attacks. Interestingly, the names of the investors remain undisclosed and the $5 million remains unclaimed in the Chicago Exchange account.
Regarding these trades, the 9/11 Commission found no malfeasance:
A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al-Qaeda purchased 95% of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10... much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, that recommended these trades.
WTC hard drive restoration operation In December 2001 and early 2002, there was extensive media coverage of the efforts by the German data retrieval company Convar to reconstruct, using laser scanning technology, data from damaged hard drives recovered from the WTC as part of the investigation into a surge in financial transactions just before the two hijacked planes crashed into New York's World Trade Center. The company's CEO, Peter Henschel, noting that the investigation was being conducted for a number of U.S. based clients cooperating with the FBI, said that there was suspicion that criminals had used inside knowledge about the attacks to make and authorize financial transactions during the chaos. According to Convar's data retrieval expert Richard Wagner, criminal transactions in excess of 100 million dollars could have been made in the hope that their trail would have disappeared as a result of the destruction of the WTC mainframe computers. As reported by the Heute Journal, a news programme by the German ZDF TV channel, by March 2002 Convar had been able to restore several hundred hard drives from the WTC.
However, the 9/11 Commission, in a memorandum entitled "FBI Briefing on Trading" dated October 18, 2003, said that when asked about the media coverage of the hard drive restoration operation, the "assembled [FBI] agents expressed no knowledge of the reported hard-drive recovery effort", further noting that one New York agent argued that it was "extremely unlikely that any hard-drives survived to the extent that they data [sic] be recovered."
Later research The papers of several finance researchers also suggest that some profited from foreknowledge of 9/11. In 2006, Allen Poteshman, a professor of Finance from the University of Illinois, published an analysis of the airline stock option trades preceding the attacks. This peer-reviewed study, published by the University of Chicago Press, came to the conclusion that an indicator of long put volume was "unusually high which is consistent with informed investors having traded in the option market in advance of the attacks". In January 2010, a team of Swiss financial experts published evidence for at least thirteen informed trades in which the investors had apparent foreknowledge of the attacks. Finally, in April 2010, an international team of experts showed that there was a significant abnormal increase in trading volume in the option market just before the 9/11 attacks in contrast to the absence of abnormal trading volume over periods long before the attacks, concluding that their findings were "consistent with insiders anticipating the 9-11 attacks".
>>15948580 Do you have any further questions? It seems that there exists a very significantly large demographic of persons who are not capable or willing to do their own research. These people seem to be dependent on guidance and trust blindly in whatever information is feed to them from whatever popular media is consumed by their peers.
There seems to be little regard for quality amoung this group even when it is high quality information reaching them; they can not discern between lie, disinformation, misconceptions and or truth. What is the value of their opinions? That they vote. But now with the emergence of electronic voting there is no reason for the powers that be to concern themselves with anything other than plausibility of the media perspective. That, and actual containment of highly effective persons who seek to guide the views of significant percentages of the population. There comes a point when informational controls of the population simplify further increases in unwarranted oppressive powers of the state. Is it political disidence to be aware of obvious deception and to realize that the truth, whatever it is, has been obscured? What action is available to those who can not ignore the obvious deception? Keep in mind that we don't have the full knowledge and insight available to the inteligence community.
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