I remember when Veelox was really gaining popularity. I checked in on the threads now and again, but I never successfully managed to astral project. I rarely dream.
However, I do remember people in the threads talking about methods of training yourself to lucid dream, which is a step in being able to astral project. Something about a red ball. I'll poke around on the internet, see if I can't find anything substantial.
>>15962882 Seems there was an episode of American Dad where Steve taught himself to lucid dream by recognizing the fact that any time he saw a red ball in his dream, he knew it to be just that; a dream.
I'm not finding anything too promising other than that.
>>15962912 I don't remember anything about a specific person fucking it up, but I don't have the best memory either.
What I do remember was; They created a mark to sort of help guide people to the place, and they had a pretty big group going there on a regular basis. They created a nice sort of astral paradise. Then something changed, and negativity took hold. Last I heard were warnings to stay away from that place as darkness and demons had completely taken it over.
>>15962942 Same, I've never been able to AP either.. minor OBE's and unstable lucids but that's it.
I did try the mark though, the idea was you drew it on your skin and it'd sort of guide you there when you went astral. I was hoping it'd help me get out of body but nope. Glad that it didn't, it wasn't long after the mark came about that things went dark.
Guys Veelox should not be visited under any circumstances. Much like you anons my experiences hearing about it got me curious and I was able to successfully visit it. But while it seemed "normal" for a short while I soon found myself unable to wake myself up like I had been able to during regular lucid dreams. This freaked me out and as soon as my concentration was lost I found Veelox had become a much more twisted place. The demons I experienced there were featureless black human like creatures that seemed to wander aimlessly all over. But one specifically seemed to stick to me always standing over my shoulder. It's very presence made my blood chill and made breathing difficult. I honestly don't remember how I woke up or what happened in Veelox other then what I've told but what felt like only 5 minutes turned out to be nearly 24 hours. And while this was only last week I still feel like I'm being followed. I worry that I brought something back with me.
>>15963320 Honestly that was my first ap, I'd done lucid dreaming before and thought, "Oh a famous abandoned group lucid dream." I decided to try and for a few weeks k failed to reach it a must have spent a good few hours just reading guides to reach it. But since then I haven't even had a lucid dream, and sleep very minimally, and with the loudest alarm possible. I'm worried that if I am followed by that thing if I even have a lucid dream it's coming in with me.
>>15963314 Veelox has actually been cleared out by expireinced AP's. What you encountered was error on your part for going in thinking negatively. AP and Lucid Dreaming are very different. I highly suggest you start AP in familiar places rather than jumping far into the unknown. Look things up before you do this.
~ the other anon planning to visit Veelox and meeting with Dallas. Will be trying shortly.
>>15963945 To clarify: >Some skeptics do not believe that there is such a state as lucid dreaming (Malcolm 1959). Skeptics don't deny that sometimes in our dreams we dream that we are aware that we are dreaming. What they deny is that there is special dream state called the 'lucid state.'
but the definition of Lucid Dream is "A lucid dream is any dream in which one is aware that one is dreaming."
No one really denies that becoming aware of dreaming happens, or at least the perception of it.
OBE's and Astral projections on the otherhand, are viewed as fantasy imaginings by skeptics, or even as parts of dreams or lucid dreams.
I have had lucid dreams before, though not for some time.
But I do quite frequently experience sleep paralysis, and when I do I feel a sensation comparable to the vibrational stage mentioned in >>15963005 but whenever that happens I usually fight it and try to wake myself up properly. Maybe next time I'll ride it out and see what happens.
>>15963975 Lucid dreaming itself is fairly well established in modern day psychology. Citing a paper from 1959 doesn't exactly seem up to date.
>>15963494 I've heard people say before that Veelox has been 'cleared' but I've never been totally convinced by those claiming that.
For my own part I did visit Veelox right at the beginning, and had a couple of successful visits, but then as these things do life got in the way. It would be interesting to try and return, but I'm not under any allusions that it's going to be some kind of astral paradise.
>>15962737 retarded /x/ kids think lucid dreaming and astral travel are the same thing. They literally cannot comprehend that their mind is fully and exclusively creating the world they experience when they do this.
>>15964982 What I was saying is, that map was made after another experiment.
We tried to draw that map around the fifth/sixth day to give the place a sense of direction. But not all saw the things in the same places. And not all saw the same things - it was mostly our own versions of a similar concept. Where I saw a lake, others saw the sea, for example.
Okay, I checked around on the archive. Apparently Veelox was "overrun by demons" or someshit. Likely just RPfags. No one really uses Lethelos anymore, but it's supposedly safe. There was another project called Bontom or something, but I have no idea what that is. It was after my time. Is that Karma tripfag still around? I remember him from Lethelos.
>>15965040 >the experienced projectors no longer had a need to be in Veelox so we left. Veelox is safe, there is nothing there, its still there. >having no reason to be somewhere because you managed to kill someone who wouldn't be there without you >making a dreamscape just to let some unknown entity in, kill it and bail This sounds like such awful reasoning, it might be even worse than thinking Veelox is real.
In my statistics class, my instructor actually worked out the probability of a monkey with wings flying out of a persons ass. Needless to say, it has a very low probability and is not very likely to happen, but it's actually possible. So, who knows...
>>15965524 okay I'm going to try to astral project and jam with jimi Hendrix and after that I will learn the ways of a Belmont and reclaim veelox also what if that black magic dude is like the evil wizard atop his tower
I have an interesting situation. I've practiced lucid dream/AP induction extensively, but I never remember my dreams. I can't ever remember being able to remember my dreams. But this has my interest. I'm going to be getting ready to sleep in just a few minutes here, but I'll focus on Veelox tonight. I guarantee I won't remember whatever may happen, but I can be recognized by a tattoo of pic related on my left arm. If anyone else is there, I'd be interested in knowing whether we met.
>>15966780 No. Veelox was before /x/ got a permanent archive. Oldest posts I can find mentioning it is from 2013, but I know Lethelos started in 2012 so it's probably gone for good. It was probably just RP fags being RPfags. If you dig through the 4plebs archive, maybe someone posted about it.
>>15966829 >I left because I found too much It doesn't exist, what you did find was probably something your mind created in your dreams. >>15966830 you know, I don't know. I'm sick as fuck, ditched work and shit, maybe the fever got to me yesterday and I just did that. Normally I'm just a lurker, I don't post stuff.
>>15966801 If you were one of the people that drew it on themselves you'll find out in approximately ten years. Look up that sigil in Navajo rituals. My grandfather told me stories when I was kid (yeah I'm Native American) about some fucked up rituals involving that sigil. Like psychologically destroying people type shit, but it would occur very slowly for years before a HUGE breakdown. Idk I don't really feel like typing out all the details cuz I'm tired as shit and going to bed. But if you can find documentation of it please link it to this thread. My memory isn't so good when it comes to the stories and I would love to look into it again
>>15964972 Then what is a method of astral projection? Because the method described in one of the Veelox pics is simply the wake-induced lucid dreaming method.. so it seems either they're the same thing, or most people who think they're performing astral projection are just ignorant and actually lucid dreaming.
So which is it? If the latter, again, I'm curious as to an actual method. I would look it up, but considering the misinfo I just pointed out, I would rather hear from someone on here who deems himself experienced in AP
>>15966873 I'm streaky in my ability these days because I stopped keeping a dream journal, but yeah I used to be. I've never been one to take my experiences from them too seriously, but you can do some crazy stuff and it seems pretty real (as in you're really doing it, not that you're unaware of dreaming) for the duration
>>15962963 I projected there, remember you are limited to your own imagination and discipline. Do not project there if you are not ready to be beaten. Astral dynamics is a good book to help teach you how to project. You are more vulnerable while projecting than in waking state. Astral combat will wound your soul our whatever you want to call it. The threads are archived somewhere. I now have fibromyalgia after being destroyed upon arrival. I don't know how the shit works I just know it was the worse mistake of my life.
I travelled to Veelox and I've never AP'd successfully, I can never seem to keep my mind still during meditation as I'm about to leave my body, usually just after the part when focusing on my neck and head after the rest of my body is numb, this might just need practice or could be because I drink too much alcohol and haven't been eating too healthily. However I did as suggested and TOLD myself that I want to travel to this place before going to sleep, and so I got there in my dreams. Not told myself but TOLD myself, I really had to make this clear and it took I think 5 or 6 attempts each night.
I wrote notes down all over my house, on the back of my hands, on my computer monitor, on my works laptop monitor, on the toilet seat, pretty much everywhere I couldn't possibly miss or forget about it. The notes all said "I would like to visit Veelox". So since I was basically asking to visit Veelox all day every day for this week I became used to it, and I eventually asked, during a dream, that I would like to visit Veelox. Kinda like when you dream about something you think a lot.
As soon as I asked myself the question I became aware that I was dreaming, completely lucid, and entered Veelox immediately. I didn't have to search for the castle as it was right it front of me right where I arrived, it was vastly bigger and far more detailed that I had imagined, that's if I even imagined it at all. I didn't enter the castle, a feeling of sombre defeated me as I gazed into it, I can't remember if the feeling was negative but it was dull, so I turned and explored, or perhaps created a very mysterious landscape.
The dream was very intimate and noticeably more clarity than a regular dream, but not as much as I'd hoped for. I'm guessing AP would be a far better option.
I've just thought of a suggestion. Not sure if any of you have tried the drug "phenibut", kinda feels like a nootropic so has some decent mood enhancers and is good for anxiety, not the greatest recreational drug out there, but one thing I noticed with them is that they literally give the most insane, fucked up, literally psychotic dreams. I feel if you want to reach Veelox the same way I did these could be tried. They relax you and keep you straight enough to keep asking "I would like to visit Veelox" and if you did manage to ask yourself this while dreaming I imagine you'd enter Veelox with probably 50x more clarity. Might be a good idea but I'm not sure. I'd say if you want to do this start taking them in the morning, about 1g every 2-3 hours (pretty small and safe dosage) until you go to sleep, then take a few more. Dreams are the reason I stopped taking phenibut, most of them were some amazingly interesting but I eventually had a few nightmares and they could perhaps be as bad in proportion to a bad trip on mescaline or a high dosage of LSD. Not enjoyable.
>>15966637 Nope. I have a notebook that I bought in hopes of being able to train myself to remember, but after several months it's still blank thanks to my inability to remember a single detail. It's like there's a "gap" for me on waking. I remember that there were dreams, but trying to remember details about the dreams themselves is like feeling around the gap that was left behind when you lost a tooth. You know something was there, and you know what it should feel like, but it just isn't there.
>>15967246 Even scientists who aren't into lucid dreaming believe that dream recall can be improved by journaling. But I guess it can't help you improve, if you can't get started in the first place. Shitty situation.
Have you tried any of the standard tricks? Taking daytime naps? Not moving your body at all when you wake up? Using a tape recorder instead of typing or writing? Talking out how you feel and your vague impressions, and just using that as a journal? Setting an alarm during the night at various time, to catch different phases of sleep cycles, where your memory might be different?
>>15967257 I have unfortunately tried all of that over the past few years. I didn't think much of it for most of my life, until at one point 3 or 4 years ago, I developed a strong interest in dreams and started researching them pretty heavily in my spare time. I've tried almost every method I could find to improve dream recall unsuccessfully. Thats actually how I started training with wake induced lucid dreaming methods; I figured maybe if I was lucid, I'd have more luck remembering my dreams. After maybe a year and a half of attempting that a few nights a week, I've gotten absolutely nowhere. I do appreciate the suggestions though.
because you experimenting with the toxic egregore of 4chan, and visiting it's astral creation that you have already been told is infected?
I don't know why anyone who actually believes in this shit would go there, unless they are very confident in their abilities. Even then, such a person would have much better things to do, with a bigger payoff.
Well there's no harm in trying it. Does me being cynical affect my ability because I've never truly believed in the paranormal (mostly as a defence against it) and because of that I can't be hypnotised. So will I be able to enter Veelox? (assuming it's real)
>>15967389 Skepticism is about EVADING the truth. Not revealing it. Do not attempt to lead a skeptic to the truth. They will drain you of your vital energy like an energy vampire. This I tell you truthfully.
>>15967389 /x/ is a board full of roleplaying faggots. So even if someone has experienced a legitimately paranormal/supernatural phenomena that they cannot back up with pictures or video, it is automatically assumed to be fake and/or gay. That's just how the Internet goes.
>>15967422 Well yeah I know exactly how it sounds, but I hear people telling their exciting stories of being hypnotized and a Ouija board etc and I just can't bring myself to believe it, yet those people seem like they're having so much fun. I want that. Being rational isn't exciting.
>>15967429 That's because weegee boards are legit bullshit, though. Just practice lucid dreaming. Lucid dreaming isn't too out there, even a skeptic like me can believe in that, even though I haven't done it myself.
>>15967430 No money and no contacts means no drugs :( >>15967431 If by lucid dreaming you mean being able to control dreams an wake up at will, I've been able to do that for a while, my Dad taught me. That's about the extent of my "paranormal" experience though.
Second, the best way to open your mind is to try new things. Go places you normally wouldn't. Read books you wouldn't think about picking up. Greet strangers when you're out for a walk. When you do things without specific intent in mind, you'd be surprised what you learn. Just keep an open mind and listen when you think there might be something to hear.
>>15967117 This is probably a bad idea. I remember trying pheni's a few years ago after I'd heard about the vivid dreams. Took 1g per night before bed, first few nights nothing then one night I woke up literally shaking covered in sweat, had an incredibly intense dream that I cba typing about.
I dread what'd happen if you managed to enter a lucid state during one of these.
>>15967444 Trips gives good advice, thanks. I've already learnt a bit of how strange it is to talk to people that have an entirely different world to myself, and it's always surreal. I'll try this shit.
>>15966861 >My grandfather told me stories when I was kid (yeah I'm Native American) about some fucked up rituals involving that sigil. Please tell us more o great navajo of how composite runes made of celtic/viking runes became navajo sigils
>>15967578 I was actually thinking about that. We could do some planning, and then create a new island. Maybe take some defensive measures to keep it from being ruined. I'm >>15966113 so I doubt I'd actually remember anything that happens there, but the idea of being able to contribute is strangely appealing. I'm game if others are.
>>15967595 I watched an anime once (Shinsekai yori) where people had supernatural powers but they would subconciously pollute the environment around them. They solved the problem by making a "boundary" around their village and told the kids that all the evil is outside the "boundary" so they would pollute the area outside of the "boundary". We could make an island and say that it is impossible for negativity to enter it and should it enter that it immideatly goes to old Veelox.
>>15967654 We don't necessarily have to send it somewhere; I think it'd be enough just to keep it out. The dreamlands/astral plane/however you may define it is surely big enough for it to find a home elsewhere
My refuge is a mountain surrounded by ancient forest (similar in feel to lothlorien). On the southern side there lies a partially hidden temple similar to what one would think elves/druids would built with an inversed towerlike structure leading down into a grotto similar to the glittering caves with crystals and magical plants lighting the mineral vines and flowing water alike. To the east of the mountain is a lake which is fed by lots of waterfalls from within and above the earth. On the opposite side to the mountain the lake's shore is a paradise with a white beach. Further to the west and into the north a range of mountain protects the place, while in the south and east the forest slowly makes place for plains full of flowers.
>>15967654 >>15967672 Better idea, why not give it a place to stay? If we divide the island into two sectors, one light and one dark, the light side could be a sunny paradise, while the dark side could be a home for those who are less likely to be interested in paradise. Keep things separate Enough to avoid problems, but close enough that it isn't imbalanced.
>>15967783 It's not so much a matter of appeasement, as it is balance. Veelox was meant to be a paradise, but there was no balance of positivity-negativity. And it ended poorly. By having a duality to hopefully balance those attributes, our new refuge might stand a better chance than Veelox.
I've had lucid dreams on occasion since childhood, but I can't do it on purpose. I know the most popular method is to remain completely still while falling asleep, but that causes me to have sleep paralysis. Does anyone else have this issue?
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