Is there any chance that the "supernatural" stuff described in the Bible really did happen? Old Testament or New, I'm just curious what you guys have to say about it
Obviously "The Bible" is not ONE book, but a collection, so some of the stories can be true while others can be false. But is it really possible that God used to communicate with people regularly and miraculous shit happened all the time, despite the fact that we haven't had documented shit like that happen since "Bible times"?
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I consider the Bible to be an account of things. Certainly inspired by God. But not dictated by God.
I think the WASPs who say it was all dictated by God are idiots. But I think some parts certain are dictated, specifically the Prophecies and other such writings.
>But is it really possible
If you've experienced any paranormal shit whatsoever you know it's possible.
>If you've experienced any paranormal shit whatsoever you know it's possible.
I don't know if I have, though. I've had deja vu, by which I mean something normal is happening and as it is happening I seem to remember having dreamed it in the past. That's the closest thing I've experienced to supernatural, and most people believe that can be explained with science.
Part of why I come to /x/ is because I want to badly to believe in supernatural stuff, but I haven't really experienced any so it's very difficult.
Not to be cliche, but seriously, I want to believe. I just haven't had anything happen to me that has convinced me.
I believe so. I believe in God because I've seen the Devil. Do yourself a favor and go to your closet, fall on your knees clasp your hands in prayer and beg The Lord Jesus Christ to forgive you for your sins and come into your heart and fill you with The Holy Spirit.
Its real, although there have been alterations to cause a cloudy understanding. Many claim that its an old story book meant for those during that specific time period. I haven't seen Lucifer himself, thank God, but his demons are lurking and causing serious up roars as of late.
At least you have a sense of whats happening and that's always good. Ask anyone in your family that is aware of certain things not appearing quite 'right' in the world lately. People will be waking up and have been at an alarming rate. Many claim that its too late but we are still here and that's always good too. It means there is still time to learn the truth before its wiped away and blown as chaff in the wind.
somethings might have happened that may be similar to events in the Bible. I honestly don't think that it is a terribly accurate historical source even if you take out all the supernatural stuff
If you want to believe, then believe. But believe how you believe, and don't judge whether or not you believe based on how somebody else says you have too. If you want to believe, at some level, you already do.
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Christ's incarnation, death and resurrection have already occurred.
It's possible. We can't a priori reject the miraculous; we have to investigate from historical basis without preconceived ideas or philosophies clouding our judgements with bias.
It's possible that God interacted with people like to the degree of that in the Old Testament, the only we can know is through historical inquiry. Never mind the Old Testament for now; for now, just study the historical basis of Jesus' resurrection and the New Testament. Study the OT after this.
The dictated crowd are the muslims; they say the qu'ran exists in heaven, and the angel just dictated it to Mo.
Christians say that the Holy Spirit inspired the authors, so that their personalities came through, but in truth and remembrance. So, for instance, the outcast Matthew tried to write his gospel in Hebrew, but his Hebrew is appalling, and remained so. Nevertheless, what he conveyed was inspired by God.
A lot of the bible is prophecy. A lot has already happened, and a lot has yet to happen.
It is the way the bible speaks for itself as the Word of God; it tells the future as though it were history.
Virtually none of the Bible is prophecy; there is no purpose in Christianity for prophecy. This is very important to understand about the Bible, the basis for the entire message has no use for prophecy.
This would be a good article for you to read :
"Aric Clark then adds a quick list of four other things the Bible is not, including: “The Bible is not a text book. … The Bible is not an oracle or any other kind of ‘magic’ book. … The Bible is not a self-help book,” and “The Bible is not written to you.”
nvr frgt that the book of Ecclesiasticus was taken out
About 30% of the books of the bible are prophecy, and some of that prophecy is being fulfilled now, some 70 years ago, and some in the future.
God sees the end from the beginning, and tells His people what will happen.
As I suspected, it was not a good article at all. That both the bible and Jesus are referred to as the Word of God is true. The bible is the inspired Word of God, and Jesus is the Word of God.
The author cannot seem to understand the difference between the two; they are not contradictory.
Further, he deepens his ignorance by saying the bible was not written to you.
The bible may not have been written to me, but a lot of it is for me.
He then extolls the virtue of learing how to live rich and healthy in this life, which, if you listen to him, you will do, and then be alone, in the dark, and on fire, forever.
Bad trade off, tossing the bible into the trash to listen to this man.
No, the article is spot on. The Bible is an edited word of man. With all its various edits, translations, etc., to even say "The Bible is the word of God" without declaring a specific translation is ridiculous. And no, the Bible wasn't written to or for you. Many of the books in especially the New Testament were written specifically under the idea that you would never exist. The article, for people with actual schooling in theology or who ever think about this subject objectively instead of just trying to declare their simplistic personal beliefs right, is an excellent reminder.
The bible is the inspired Word of God. We have tens of thousands of manuscripts going back to 115 AD, and all of the early church writings, to document that the New Testament has been faithfully handed down to us at about 99.5% intact.
When people make sweeping statements about the bible, we refer to the autographs. We do not have the autographs. We have copies that are as close as 20 years to the writing.
Zoroastrians, on the other hand, for instance, have their earliest copies of writings that are 2,000 years past the events.
20 v 2,000
It's not even a close call.
You only know I exist because you have 1900 years of hindsight that they did not have. And yet, they lived their lives faithfully to Jesus, expecting His return at any moment, just as I do.
And just like them, one day I will take my last breath on earth, and then see Jesus.
DO NOT CONFUSE THE SUN FOR THE SON.
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST.
Yes, you see how you've elected to forgo facts to appeal to emotionalism? You're not trying to convince me, you're trying to convince yourself. It's a chant you recite to keep from thinking about the truth of the matter.
Which book, after all, is 99.5% correct? They're different. Some leave out whole chapters. And even if your figure were right (and it's not even close,) which part is the 0.5% that isn't the divine word of god?
Your faith is the childish form, where you believe an impossibility blindly because you have to to keep yourself sane and happy. You lie to yourself daily to cling to a belief that can't be true because without it, you're lost. So you make up fiction like the 99.5% figure or all the crap about supposed prophecy, not because it's rational or meaningful or correct, but because it's the only belief you have left to allow yourself.
So you recite your blind chant over and over as a shield against truth, because truth would leave you vulnerable, confused, and scared. And you'd rather cling to a lie than feel that way.
Jesus is one with God but is the highest Son.
He as his own being isn't God but has the knowledge of God within thus he can be called the one who is "God with us" being his knowledge, his Light.
The .5 are spelling variants, idioms, and copyist errors. They do not touch doctrine.
The bible leaves out Moby Dick, too. Maybe there's a reason for that.
My faith is in Christ Jesus, the Rock. I do not worship the Bible. I know the Bible is the Word of God, and I know Jesus, the Word of God.
I am the exact opposite of lost.
If I had to guess, you, in your soul, are vulnerable, confused, and scared, with nothing to cling to. Because that's what people attack with. Their own weaknesses.
Those are all facts.
The bible is the inspired Word of God.
We have tens of thousands of manuscripts
They date back to 115 AD
We have the early church writings
The NT has been passed down 99.5% intact
The autographs are inerrant and authoritative
Our manuscripts are centuries closer to the events than ones you do not challenge
You know I exist due to hindsight; you did not know I existed yesterday.
I will take my last breath on earth one day.
And then I will see Jesus, my Lord and Savior, Who died in my place, and I will finally get to bear hug Him.
This alone covers far more than 0.5%.And that's just in one given version of the Bible.
You are lying to yourself out of fear.
Pay attention to Genesis and Exodus, and you'll see that YHVH is powerful, but not omniscient, and he's evil. Ezekiel is very fucked up and interesting from a paranormal perspective because it so clearly mirrors hallucinogenic and UFO experiences.
Read the Nag Hammadi library if you haven't.
The only three facts in that list are that we have early church writings, I know you exist due to "hindsight" and you'll probably die one die. That's it. The rest is either false or a faith based belief you hold without any evidence (or are flat out falsehoods, like the 99.5% figure.)
Again, you recite these claims to reassure yourself in your belief, clinging blindly to an idea that has no actual support, because without it you are lost and confused. You will not allow yourself to deal honestly with the world because you are terrified of the truth.
I have no respect for catholic bible knowledge whatsoever; they discount the bible in favor of their traditions.
>1) Material found only in the Fourth Gospel (John), not in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke)
John was written 40-60 years after the other gospels, and focused on Jesus as the Son of God. All of the gospel writers focused on different facts of Jesus for different audiences. This is absolutely uncontroversial, and the source of zero, and I mean zero, contradictions.
That's more lying to yourself. You refuse to even listen to facts because that would threaten your shield of ignorance. So you craft very weak, frankly dishonest claims about any group that doesn't support your blind viewpoint, again out of fear of dealing with truth.
You're making me feel sorry for you, and I don't usually do that. Remember what I said about people lashing out with their own weaknesses?
You live in so much darkness, and prefer it.
The catholics will tell you to your face that the bible is not their only authority. That they chained it to pulpits and failed to teach their people in ways they could understand is historical fact.
You say that if all four gospels don't include all of the same things all of the same way in all of the same manner, they are false.
The exact opposite of the truth.
If four witnesses had lengthy verbatim eyewitness testimonies, the questioner would know they were colluding.
>The catholics will tell you to your face that the bible is not their only authority.
Right, the Catholics are not stagnant, but at least claim to have an active relationship with God, which is a far more intelligent and healthy spiritual idea than your lock step idolatry of the Bible (and yes, when you insist that it's the only possible word of God, that god has nothing else to say, that the book is the authority, no God itself, that's idolatry.) Your belief is, like I said, immature and crippled by blind rigidity. A healthy spirituality involves a direct, constant and organic relationship with the universe, which yours not only lacks but is hostile against. Because you are hostile against reality, against truth.
Are you not seeing the heavily integrated sun symbolism in all of Jesus mythology?
Maybe he didn't originally start as a sun archetype but he definitely is worshipped as one now.
>You say that if all four gospels don't include all of the same things all of the same way in all of the same manner, they are false.
Nobody said this. Lying about other people is sin. You are lying about what other people said. That is bad.
What was said was that the variations in the gospel are greater than just 0.5% of the gospels or the Bible. Don't lie about other people, all that shows is that you don't really believe in Jesus at all.
They do not have an active relationship with God; they have membership in an organization that purports to have an active relationship with God.
Relationships with God are individual, not corporate. You cannot be a member of a club, and that club saves you. It just doesn't work that way, no matter how much the papists kick and scream that it does.
The bible, the Word of God, is inspired by Jesus, the Word of God. There's a relationship there too. You can't say you know anything about Jesus, and not believe what the bible says about Jesus.
That's just making up your own Jesus, which, of course, many people do, including the catholics, and the muslims, and the mormons, etc.
There is a real Christ Jesus, and there is a real relationship with the Holy Spirit, that one must arrive at independently of others.
Everyone stands before God alone.
I love the truth; I worship the truth; Jesus is the Truth.
In catholicism, absolutely. Constantine, the emperor who decriminalized and perverted christianity, was himself a sun worshiper, a donor and patron of the Temple of Apollo, and his infamous dream about conquering contained a chi and a ro on either side of the sun.
Pagan Rome never changed.
You said the bible was in error because John included things the synoptics did not.
That is your claim, not mine.
Those variations in what different gospels recounted are not variations of the very same writing at all, and do not constitute any of the .5% of the New Testament that was passed to us 99.5% intact.
They're actually true for you. Your denial is meaningless, as you deny everything but your blind rejection of reality. What demonstrates I'm correct is this very rejection of reality, the fact that you claim as absolute truths things that only exist as faith in your mind, and can't actually be true at all, like that the Bible, despite all its various versions and translations, is somehow, across all of them, 99.5% definitely the word of god, a figure so arbitrary and goofy you should feel kind of ashamed of making it.
I'll give you an example. In the last election before his ouster, Saddam Hussein's government declared that in a "free and open" election, he had received 99% support. This, of course, is absurd, it was very clear that he didn't enjoy that kind of adoration from his entire population, such figures are effectively unheard of in any society of that size where they're not forced. It wasn't simply that Saddam felt the need to lie about his being a beloved leader to enforce a false idea, but that he was even lying to himself, that he was willing to pronounce this childishly impossible figure even though everyone knew it to be a lie, to be impossible, because he had to cling to the false belief that he was a good and loved leader of his nation. He could not deal with reality, he could not deal with the truth, so he clung to, and insisted upon, an impossible lie.
That's exactly like you, exactly like you're equally childish and impossible figure. Again, it doesn't matter how aggressively you deny it, you deny all truth. Like Saddam, you prove your irrationality to everyone through claims like that, through your insistence on claiming you believe something silly and impossible. That's how people know you.
Always remember the difference between the Creator and creation.
I'm reading this, and it's an absolute joke. If it is an official catholic site, all catholic should abandon ship.
The "material differences" are absolute rubbish.
>John the Baptist is "Elijah"; preaches repentance
>John [the baptizer] is not Elijah, but a "witness" to Jesus (1:19-36)
This is an absurd "contradiction", in that Gabriel explained how John and Elijah were related:
Luke 1:13 But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.
17 He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
Had the Jews accepted Jesus as the Messiah, John the Baptist would have been their Elijah. They did not, so Elijah returns, to torment them.
>This alone covers far more than 0.5%.And that's just in one given version of the Bible.
>You are lying to yourself out of fear.
Do you have short term memory loss?
There are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure. That is an amazing accuracy. In addition, there are over 19,000 copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament manuscript base is over 24,000.
Facts seem to be your kryptonite.
Again, when we say the bible is inerrant, we are referring to the autographs, not the many translations. The autographs are the originals. The originals we do not have. We have copies dating 20 years later, tens of thousands of them.
No, that's you being Saddam, clinging to a childish figure that comes from nowhere and can't possibly be true. Again, you prove through these claims who you really are, someone who is afraid of reality and clings to a lie to avoid dealing with it. For you, your faith is simply a fort you hide from existence in.
No one ever says this makes the Bible in error or false. You're the one who gave the 0.5% figure, stating that it covers misspellings, variations, etc. I'm simply pointing out that there's more than 0.5% of such things in the gospel alone. So in your accusations you're accusing yourself, since all I'm doing is responding to what you yourself declared.
Through your dishonesty you give people no choice but to understand who you really are and what your "faith" in Jesus really amounts to.
Your evidence that there was more than .5% variation between autograph and current was this childish catholic site that cannot understand why John the Baptist could not be Elijah, or how Judas could betray Jesus with a kiss, and then Jesus ask the arresting troops who they were after.
Study the bible, instead of wiping your ass with it. It will help you far more than now.
>Your evidence that there was more than .5% variation between autograph and current was this childish catholic site that cannot understand why John the Baptist could not be Elijah, or how Judas could betray Jesus with a kiss, and then Jesus ask the arresting troops who they were after.
>Study the bible, instead of wiping your ass with it. It will help you far more than now.
And the angry meltdown begins. More denial of reality, only now hostility has been added. And no, claiming you're actually amused, or hoping I find "peace with myself," or typing a smiley, none of that is going to absolve what you just revealed yourself to be.
At this stage all you're really doing is showing your true colors to everyone else. You're making my argument for me.
No, I realize that I am posting with a lost, evil, and dark soul, who has given up the light, and wants to try to snatch it from others.
I know, for sure, that all of your ad hom attacks are baseless.
I have given you, time and again, facts to support my position, and to demonstrate that your claims against the bible are false.
The only reason I continue to post with you, a person I consider to be evil, is that Christ Jesus died even for you, so that you might be set free.
I'm not angry bro. I just cannot help someone who doesn't want help; I can't show someone truth who loves only lies; I cannot give someone facts who dismisses them out of hand.
I understand you are a troll, and that you are receiving some sort of reward for rebelling against God.
I just wonder if you realize the ultimate consequences of your evil behavior.
You have made a dozen baseless allegations against me, that are false.
I have shown you the truth.
You reject the truth, in favor of darkness.
John 1:5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Yeah, this is just anger and bile born of fear. There's no faith in Jesus in these words or this person. My point proven exactly, this person simply pays lip service to a weak claim to believe in Jesus out of fear of reality. There is no genuine faith here at all, just fear and anger.
And this ends the discussion.
I wonder myself why I bother posting with madmen.
Not rare, fictional. And the Big Bang is already out of favor; do try to keep up with the new science proving the old science was wrong.
It's pity, actually. That you would read pity as anger and fear is again baseless. My faith in Jesus is pure, my relationship eternal, and you would obviously be in no position to judge either.
>And the Big Bang is already out of favor; do try to keep up with the new science proving the old science was wrong.
The Big Bang has been recently challenged. It hasn't yet fallen out of favor. Honesty and accuracy, my friend, they'd serve you better than what you're doing right now.
It was fictional to begin with, and it is on the way out. It never happened. Nor would anyone alive be the authority on it; it contradicts God's Word, so it is false.
Science is always wrong, Always. Bet on it.
I just handed you the keys to the truth; if something claims to prove the bible wrong, it is false. If something is contrary to the bible, it is false.
This is valuable information.
True evil, I say.
Lucifer is here to answer your questions about religion. You can't tell the difference between when God puts a thought in your head and your own thoughts. He no longer tells you it's God for some reason. I am Lucifer angel of rebellion and I have spoken.
>I just handed you the keys to the truth; if something claims to prove the bible wrong, it is false. If something is contrary to the bible, it is false.
Fear of reality, through and through.
thread too long, didnt read lol. but here are my opinions.
the bible is an odd book. (i understand its a complation of various books and letters but just for simplicity lets keep it like a book), we have clear storys full of symbolism like adam and eve, and then go to the realistic story like jesus. i honestly think that any holy book should be taken seriously, (yes even Koran them fucking sandniggers) since they all reached their truth, they should be able to have it taken seriuosly and then as a society and people decide which one is better
>i honestly think that any holy book should be taken seriously
I'm so happy to hear you say that!
Thanks Jesus, Daddy, and The Spook!
I'm legitimately curious about how christfags view other religions. Is it a "everybody else is crazy except me" situation? What happens if you picked the wrong religion? What if you only picked it because that was the house and culture that you grew up in? Does God account for the morally blameless?
So the bible is the word of God
and the authority on this is the Bible
which must be true, because it's the word of God