Tthe ship that sank was in fact Titanic's sister ship Olympic, disguised as Titanic, as an insurance scam by her owners, the International Mercantile Marine Group, controlled by American financier J.P. Morgan that had acquired the White Star line in 1902.
Olympic was the slightly older sister of Titanic, built alongside the more famous vessel but launched in October 1910. Her exterior profile was nearly identical to Titanic, save for minor details such as the number of portholes on the forward C decks of the ships, the spacing of the windows on the B decks, and the forward section of the A deck promenade on Titanic that had been enclosed only a few weeks before she set sail on her ill-fated maiden voyage. This may have been done to give her a slightly different appearance to increase the illusion that Titanic was really a new ship. Both ships were built with linoleum floors, but shortly before she was due to set sail J. Bruce Ismay, managing director of the White Star Line, inexplicably ordered the floors aboard Titanic carpeted over. This could have been done to cover up the worn linoleum floors on the slightly older Olympic which by then had her nameplates switched to become Titanic to give her the appearance of a brand new ship.
On 20 September 1911, the Olympic was involved in a collision with the Royal Navy Warship HMS Hawke in the Brambles Channel in Southampton Water. The two ships were close enough to each other that Olympic's motion drew the Hawke into her aft starboard side, causing extensive damage to the liner - both above and below its waterline (HMS Hawke was fitted with a re-inforced 'ram' below the waterline, purposely designed to cause maximum damage to enemy ships). An Admiralty inquiry assigned blame to the Olympic, despite numerous eye-witness accounts to the contrary.
Gardiner's theory plays out in this historical context. Olympic was found to be at blame in the collision (which, according to Gardiner, had damaged the central turbine's mountings and bent the keel, giving the ship a slight permanent list to port). Because of this finding, White Star's insurers Lloyds of London allegedly refused to pay out on the claim. White Star's flagship would also be out of action during the extensive repairs, and the Titanic's completion date, which was already behind schedule due to Olympic's return to the yard after her loss of a propeller blade, would have to be delayed. All this would amount to a serious financial loss for the company. Gardiner proposes that, to make sure at least one vessel would be earning money, the badly damaged Olympic was patched-up and then converted to become the Titanic. The real Titanic when complete would then quietly enter service as the Olympic.
So you're saying that they switched ships, without anyone knowing (somehow all the port reports failed to notice that the Olympic had magically teleported overnight,) got hundreds of people killed...all to deal some worn linoleum tile?
Eh, I guess i've heard dumber ideas...
The Titanic indeed had a slight list to port leaving Southampton. Inadequate trimming of cargo and bunkers would likely result in such and the crew seems to have demonstrated a lack of proficiency on several occasions. A list to port was noted by several Titanic survivors including Lawrence Beesley who wrote in his book about the sinking: "I then called the attention of our table to the way the Titanic listed to port (I had noticed this before), and we watched the skyline through the portholes as we sat at the purser's table in the saloon." (The dining saloon windows were double rows of portholes covered on the inside with screens of leaded decorative glass with no clear view of the outdoors.) This was echoed by survivor Norman Chambers, who testified that after the collision: "However, there was then a slight list to starboard, with probably a few degrees in pitch; and as the ship had a list to port nearly all afternoon, I decided to remain up."
Gardiner states that few parts of either ship bore the name, other than the easily removed lifeboats, bell, compass binnacle, and name plates. Everything else was standard White Star issue and was interchangeable between the two ships, and other vessels in the White Star fleet. While all other White Star Line Ships had their name engraved into the hull, the Titanic alone had its name riveted over top. In recent pictures of the wreck depicting a spot where two riveted plates that had spelled Titanic fell off, the letters MP appear to be stamped into the hull.
The plan, Gardiner suggests, was to dispose of the Olympic, which had allegedly been damaged beyond economic repair in a way that would allow White Star to collect the full insured value of a brand new ship. He supposes that the seacocks were to be opened at sea to slowly flood the ship. If numerous ships were stationed nearby to take off the passengers, the shortage of lifeboats would not matter as the ship would sink slowly and the boats could make several trips to the rescuers.
Gardiner uses as evidence the length of Titanic's sea trials. Olympic's trials in 1910 took two days, including several high speed runs, but Titanic's trials reportedly only lasted for one day, with (Gardiner alleges) no working over half-speed. Gardiner says this was because the patched-up hull could not take any long periods of high speed. Perhaps this was due to the fact that Titanic as a nearly identical twin sister of the Olympic was expected to handle exactly the same, or perhaps the Board of Trade inspectors were in on the scheme.
Gardiner maintains that on 14 April, First Officer Murdoch (who was not officially on duty yet) was on the bridge because he was one of the few high-ranking officers other than Captain Smith who knew of the plan and was keeping a watch out for the rescue ships. One of Gardiner's most controversial statements is that the Titanic did not strike an iceberg, but an IMM rescue ship that was drifting on station with its lights out. Gardiner based this hypothesis on the idea that the supposed iceberg was seen at such a short distance by the lookouts on the Titanic because it was actually a darkened ship, and he also does not believe an iceberg could inflict such sustained and serious damage to a steel double-hulled vessel such as the Titanic.
Gardiner further hypothesises that the ship that was hit by the Titanic was the one seen by the Californian firing distress rockets, and that this explains the perceived inaction of the Californian (which traditionally is seen as failing to come to the rescue of the Titanic after sighting its distress rockets). Gardiner's hypothesis is that the Californian was not expecting rockets, but a rendezvous. The ice on the deck of the Titanic is explained by Gardiner as ice from the rigging of both the Titanic and the mystery ship she hit. As for the true Titanic, Gardiner alleges that she spent 25 years in service as the Olympic and was scrapped in 1935.
Simple reference to Board of Trade regulations of 1912 will confirm that rockets fired as they were from the Titanic, in intervals greater than one minute apart, did not signify distress. This being so, the Californian was completely correct in her inaction. The regulations were quite clear in specifying intervals of one minute or less, using rockets with a loud report, of any color, to signify distress. It would seem that a scheme to deliberately sink their ship would prompt White Star to make sure their captain and crew knew how to properly fire distress rockets. Neither demonstrated such knowledge during the sinking.
Several of Titanic's passengers including John Jacob Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strauss, and George Dunton Widener were among the richest men in America. Some conspiracy theorists claim that these wealthy individuals were opposed to the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank and that financier J.P. Morgan saw the opportunity eliminate them by convincing them to sail with him on the maiden voyage of the new Titanic which was really the badly damaged Olympic that he planned sink in an insurance scam. As victims of a maritime disaster nobody would suspect that they had really been murdered to prevent them from opposing the Federal Reserve Act. In addition to Morgan, several of his close friends and associates are known to have cancelled their plans to sail on Titanic at the last minute, as did the wife of J. Bruce Ismay. Morgan also had several bronze statues he had planned to transport to America removed from the ship a few hours before she sailed leading to speculation that he knew her fate.
>the ship that sank was in fact Titanic's sister ship Olympic, disguised as Titanic
>Portholes are different
But the crane is obscuring the view. Google is friendly and points to a picture of the Titanic with all portholes in view (picture attached). Other images show the Olympic with two additional portholes.
Underwater sonar images shows the two extra portholes.
It could be that the floorplan changed. Googling "extra portholes titanic" brings me to
But there it is suggested that the Titanic has 16 portholes and Olympic only 14.
The opposite, confusing even more.
Stranger and stranger. If we compare these images, I think we can at least agree that whichever ship appears in "titanic_belfast_t750x550.jpg" is not the same ship which now rests at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.
Looking at things again. Taking the top two decks of >>16051843, it would seem that it matches that of the Titanic or Britannic in >>16051652. The Olympic has a totally (maybe even structurally) different top deck.
Sorry for being slightly off-topic, but about this third ship... Does anyone know what type of casualties were treated aboard HMHS Britannic? What type of medical facilities were equipped when it was requisitioned by the British Admiralty?
that Morgan stood to gain by the small fire burning in the one coal room just ending the trip with nobody dying is one thing, but a bunch of his freedom loving enemies dying at the same time? win-win. years later, Vanderbilt bit it on the Lusitania.
Many articles and books will use pictures of the Olympic when speaking of the Titanic as a substitution because more photographs of the Olympic exist and they were so similar it's hard for someone not in the know to spot the difference.
This would make a great novel or movie. Have one really crooked character, one really straight character (maybe the captain), and an in between character slowly twisting the arm of the honest man, pushing him into increasingly worse plans. He tries to fight back, and at least put up safeguards, but gets forced into a situation he knows will be bad, and everything just goes to shit despite all his efforts.
I noticed that too so I did a better image search. Seems that many pictures have the wrong image names. Guess because for many it doesn't really care. Pictures with the name in the picture seem a better reference like the one attached.
From what I've seen so far I would say that >>16051652 would depict the best. I'm dismissing the porthole identification as that can easily change. The image of the titanic on the wiki even has 15.
The underwater picture clearly shows the top deck fingerprint which is Titanic, and its structural. It might be possible to change the number of portholes and give it a paint job prior before departure, but to structurally change a deck would seem going too far.
I was always open for the theory that the Olympic might be the one to hit the iceberg, but I never did my own research. Now I have I find that >>16051786 is falsely presenting facts. I see >>16051843 telling the truth. Personally I consider it debunked than the Olympic is the one that sank 103 years and 11 days ago.
It is the lower deck that is in question not the upper. As you can see by the portholes under the lower deck, that the underwater photos match up with the evidence given.
>Making a new comparison based on three decks
I would say the underwater picture is the RMS Titanic
>>(The dining saloon windows were double rows of portholes covered on the inside with screens of leaded decorative glass with no clear view of the outdoors.)
Which begs the question: How did the witness see such a thing, then?
>>"In recent pictures of the wreck depicting a spot where two riveted plates that had spelled Titanic fell off, the letters MP appear to be stamped into the hull."
>>No iceburg hit the titanic
>>Several witnesses later remarked that passengers saw/played with bits of ice(from the so-called "phantom iceburg") after the collision.
Am I to believe that staff in on the plot threw ice cubes onto the decks to keep up appearances? -_-
>>Officer: (On seeing colored rockets lighting up the sky) "Captain, I believe those are distress rockets being fired by that there ship."
>>Captain: (Checks watch) "You are mistaken, good sir.....those rockets are firing much too slowly to be distress based rocketry. As such, they must surely be party rockets."
>>Cabin Boy: (While walking by and randomly flinging poo) "Red rocket, red rocket!"
There's actually a pretty decent Titanic-themed adventure game out there(Titanic: Adventure out of time). It was made in the 90's, and (iirc)it includes some various conspiracy bits and bobs(which have been thrown in/livened up a bit). If you have the time(and the patience required to get some emulated games to run) it might be up your alley.