>>16820927 I have always wondered this. In the mormon bible it describes 4 afterlife kingdoms. 1 being heaven where god and jesus christ live 2 being a middle ground kingdom, for people who are still really good people genuinely, but also sinned enough to the point where they are not clean enough for heaven 3 being hell where satan lives. 4 being outter darkness (hitler, joseph stalin level type ass holes just live in eternal darkness.)
Ive always wondered, what if ive already died and this is hell. I hear alot of christians talk about heaven being on earth on a different plane,but honestly what if spiritual prison is the realm that we are in?? Were all in the fuckin pin together mates
>>16821053 But I want to know about actual hells and actual heavens. I understand "hell" and "heaven" are just words beings used to describe a place, words that are limited in their ability to convey full meaning. But the places, that's the shit I want to know about. Like the 5th dimension that new agers talk about...that kind of shit.
>>16821067 One can only manage to see brief, distorted glimpses of what's beyond, in dreams, trances, in those rare moments of clarity. To really know the beyond we have to wait, until we have transcended the self. And then there will be no 'you' who 'knows' just a One who Is
>>16821052 enlightenment is not bliss. enlightenment is the stripping away of illusions. you see things as they really are and it's quite sad and alienating. You're no longer a victim of your own thoughts tho, so that's a plus.
Well more like the highest level of hell. I realized it was hell when I realized we are all fallen and repeating a process and reincarnation was actually after death our vibes rising or being lowered. if You fail on this plane you fall and have to rise back up to this physical plane. It's like the higher you rise the harder it gets and the more you are attacked by lower vibes and envious beings. reincarnation may actually suck considering you have to go threw hell to come back...literally. Also the higher you rise, the harder you fall, hence why most angels who fall from a high position, fall straight to the darkest layer of hell. We may be in hell but it is this plane that has the most impact of your vibrations, especially in this time frame.
I feel like this is all a work of the machine elves. most likely we are a game to them in a way. personally I saw a blue hovering neon man come out of a portal in the sky in Michigan near rockwood. I believe in that shit.
>>16820927 Satan said to Jesus I'll give you the kingdoms of the earth...... so he has that power. God kicked satan out in the Quran and satan asked to have the earth. God said you can have the earth but when they die they will return to me. The illuminati believe in people being worthless and jews belong to a synagoge of satan which is about enlightenment. Satan is about enlightenment. This 3d plane is his.
>>16821067 If you want to know what new-agers believe for the most part, I'd be happy to explain it to you.
Okay, so, everything is a vibration. Your vibration is dictated by your thoughts. The highest vibration achievable in the 3rd dimension while still physically existing here is called "enlightenment". When you die, your soul/consciousness transcends to the 4th dimension. Your thoughts in the 4th dimension are directly proportional to your reality. You think "airplane", you will instantly have an airplane. So, this means that if your vibration is low due to having negative thoughts like fear, pain, and suffering, YOU will manifest pain, fear, and suffering. YOU create your own hell or heaven. The same thing happens in the 3rd dimension as well, it's just slower. In the 3rd dimension we have this thing called time. If we think "I want a new house", you will have to experience everything between that moment and finally getting the new house. In the 4th dimension, since there is no time as we know it, if you think house you won't experience that "time lag" type of thing. The time thing is really complicated to put into words and I apologize if you don't get it. I understand it in my own head very well from astral projection.
>>16820927 never, because it is false >>16820982 >what if ive already died and this is hell your way of thinking is wrong you define death by what it means in this world you could not have died earthly death already and be put in here as a punishment (don't mistake it for reincarnation)
>>16825048 I honestly hope that the scare I went through was just caused by being unprepared.
Although I don't think anything can prepare you for an intuition-driven meditation during which all senses slowly disappear until there is nothing left except your breathing, then your heart beat, then just a point of I AM in a vast cave of blackness.
Although I did read up and found out that's how astral travel starts.
When I walked into Centralia, Pennsylvania and saw a man with a butcher's apron and a potato sack over his head carrying a giant cleaver try to kill me than a monster made of multiple human body parts sewn together came out and tried to bite my face off.....
>>16824887 >original poster you replied to. Enlightenment is assumed to be a state of never ending happiness and peace but it isn't. You're not immune to negative feelings. Also you see see reality as it really is and people as they truly are which sorry to say, isn't a good thing. Enlightenment seems closer to apathy than nirvana. It has it's pluses but it's just not what people assume it is. You lack ego, negative mental chatter. You don't try to resist life. Instead you enter a flow state and accept things as they are. There's so much more to it and words can only say so much. It's something that you have to experience.
>>16825547 I forgot to cover the alienation part, but basically what the other two anons said. The general population around you are operating from their ego and you have been stripped of yours. It's hard to relate to them and you usually have no interest in what they're saying. Also, sometimes things like hobbies you enjoyed in the past will not resonate with you anymore. You'll see no point in a lot of things.
I don't know that I've come to any such realization. However, I have a related story.
A while back this board freaked out about some guy on omegle. "The Listener." People kept trying to track him down and talk to him, but, he'd just leave them with cryptic remarks and end the chat a few sentences in. Retards thought he was a demon, skeptics thought he was an RP or just a retard. I had the impression he was like an occultist or something, eg, someone who thought he knew shit.
I ended up chatting with this dude for like 3 hours total, two different times. I have the logs saved in notepads on an external drive, but, I basically just asked him questions about demons and /x/ related.
In essence, he stated the following:
>This place is what we would think of as "hell." >These beings we would think of as "demons" are keeping us here. >The reason they're keeping us here is because we're afraid. >So long as you harbor any form of fear, you will be stuck in "hell," reincarnating for all eternity. >If you transcend all fear, and embrace true love, it will allow you to escape this.
Also, he expressed that "demons" aren't fallen angels, rather, that they're some kind of interdimensional spoop (this was like 2013, I don't remember exactly).
I don't know that I believe what he said. Anyone who read the Cassiopean / Pleadian bullshit and watched Donnie Darko could produce the same line he did. Idk. Just posted because this is the only time this story / memory will ever be relevant to anything. If you want to see the chat logs, holla.
>>16820927 One time when I was seven I was in the car with my dad. We passed a really big church and I asked my dad if he believed in hell. My dad was normally always joking, he acted more like a shitty brother to me than a parent, he thought it was funny to pretend that he and my mom had more kids before me that they accidentally killed in various neglectful ways. So naturally I expected some bullshit odd response from him but all he does is turn to me and say, for once in his life completely earnestly, "[anon], we're in hell right now." And then we sat there in silence until we got to wherever we were driving to.
There is no single heaven or hell, just infinite dimensions higher or lower in comparison to one another. These were known as "Planets" in the Vedic philosophies (which are the oldest on the planet), realms, worlds. We now consider them dimensions, (although they could be similar to planets in a cosmological sense). It is believed passage from one Planet (or dimension) to another depends on the vibratory signature of your spirit or soul. You can't expect fish to live on land comfortably, they want to be in the sea. If they want to fly, they will need to change accordingly, get used to air, master land, leave water behind, and grow wings. That takes some time.
Humans have the capacity to evolve into our chosen dimensions (or "planets") as well and in particular have been gifted with the best possible physical vessel to achieve enlightenment and things to escape this "hell" known as life on planet earth in the 3rd dimension. It's important then, for those who want us to remain here, that we hate ourselves, hate our bodies, and do as much damage and devolution as possible, otherwise we might fly away.
Earth has tastes of both heaven and hell, depending on the life you've lived or have been blessed (or cursed) with. It's a mixed pallet here, which is why some consider it to be a planet intended for learning, and testing yourself or proving your worth to enter into higher order civilizations or planets (possibly through reincarnation).
Strangely enough, Rastafarians also believed that physical planets were more than meets the eye, and that this planet Earth is not a ball of dirt and water but a celestial realm. Here is Heaven, here is Hell, and there is no afterlife like the one sold to us by Catholicism and Christianity, not until Ja is risen and Zion reclaimed (similar to Christians belief in revelations) at which point the "dead" "rise again" and can seek their new home/dimension. Until then - death remains blackness or nothingness, and your only shot at experiencing "Heaven" is to live a good life here on Earth. It is the Devil who wants your time here to be Hellish, and more importantly to convince you that there is no possibility of Heaven on Earth, or Heaven in the after.
Something tells me this belief about physical planets being dimensions was influenced by Vedic religions especially because the origin of Rastafarians is rooted in other religions which branched into the Mystery schools, which eventually reach back to Egyptian and Vedic/Buddhist religion. They laughed at the idea of men going from one planet to another in physical rocket ships because it was taken for granted in the ancient religions that these are not planets, but dimensions, and you cannot travel between dimensions with physical instruments. You have to use transdimensional (spiritual) technology, or evolve as a spiritual being to the point that you can incarnate on another planet.
>>16825674 Don't fool ur self enlightenment would be truly listening and caring Not being a disinterested ass hole When people talk don't just listen observe every little detail and u will see how beautiful communication is... I'm not enlightened but I am on my own path
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